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: Winnipeg Area 2013 Group Trip
: acurrier November 26, 2012, 11:54:40 AM
Hello Folks,

I ended up moving from Northern Manitoba down closer to the Winnipeg area this year. I know that there are a fair number of members in my area, so it might be fun to arrange a group camp this season. I would probably be looking at a 1-2 night trip. With a 3 month old at home I wouldn't be able to talk my way into a week long excursion (and if I tried I'd be sleeping on the couch when I got back).

Let me know who is interested. If you can recommend a good site north/northeast of Winnipeg it would be appreciated. Also let me know when you would want to do the trip. Right now I'm leaning towards early January, but I'll have to look at my work schedule.
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: Bothwell Voyageur November 26, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
Hi

yes, certainly interested.

The ice should be thick enough by then to open up a wide range of routes.

Grizzly Adam and I went a little way along the Frances Lake canoe route in Whiteshell Park last year http://www.wintertrekking.com/community/index.php?topic=1897.0 (http://www.wintertrekking.com/community/index.php?topic=1897.0) and I would be keen to go further up the river and depending on road conditions there are lots of options in the north end of the Whiteshell and south end of Nopiming if you use the lakes. Staying on land, I have a flat trail to the east of Rennie http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/?action=view&current=WhiteshellOvernighter.mp4 (http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/?action=view&current=WhiteshellOvernighter.mp4)  that I use that would be excellent for a group trip and I hope to get out before Christmas to scope out another trail or two.

Happy to stay flexible on dates though and can always take a Friday off.

BV
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: Grizzly Adam November 26, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
I am in and dates can be made to be flexible, and if enough notice is given Jon the bush nut would probably join us. Toban bison is a local to as well as Nate. Party LOL http://www.wintertrekking.com/community/Smileys/default/grin.gif Keep us posted on this and we will plan a good trip anywhere.cheers Grizz.
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: Bothwell Voyageur November 26, 2012, 04:43:36 PM
Maybe there are folks from NW Ontario that would care to join us?
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: acurrier November 26, 2012, 06:28:12 PM
Took a look at the calendar, I have the first weekend in January off. Does January 4th-6th work?
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: thebushnut November 26, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
I'm in as long as no one minds a dog...I hate pulling my own sled. ;)
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: acurrier November 26, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Fine with me. I'd bring mine, but he's a little too high-strung for group camping.
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: Grizzly Adam November 27, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
Jon go ahead and bring Derga Ill bring Rick ye ha he will get to use the sled I built for him. Nikki will come too.
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: toban_bison November 27, 2012, 01:51:29 PM
I would love to go, but commiting 100% is difficult without know the dates. But I am definitely interested.

I find that when trying to plan a trip with a large group someone just has to pick the dates and as many as can make it do. If we try to pick a date that works for everyone, it ends up getting pushed back, and pushed back and doesn't end up ever happening. Just my experience though.

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: acurrier November 27, 2012, 02:45:23 PM
Good point. I'll officially set the date as Jan 4-6 (Fri-Sun).
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: Grizzly Adam November 27, 2012, 02:57:31 PM
Gotta like a Man that knows how to make a decision. Don't worry about the dog being high strung, my friend Rick is about as high strung as they come but a good guy, He likes camping and having fun but he is a CF vet and has PTSD. He is good people but like me he can get a bit loud at times and loves to tell the stories the veterans so commonly tell just ask Jon LOL. Cheers Grizz. Jan 4-6 it is, NOW WHERE GUYS. 
: Re: Winnipeg Area 2013 Group Trip
: acurrier November 27, 2012, 03:17:19 PM
We've had a suggestion of Whitshell Park, which would be about a 3 hour drive for me (reasonable distance). Are there any other suggestions?
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: Grizzly Adam November 27, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
I love the shield, spruce woods also has some land trails that have ski hut's on them which could make a nice common area just a thought. I'm easy.
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: toban_bison November 27, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
I am actually going to be out of town that weekend.

If the winter holds maybe a second trip somewhere down the line?
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: Bothwell Voyageur November 27, 2012, 05:10:32 PM
I'm not sure that Spruce Woods would be suitable given the amount of firewood likely to be consumed! I suppose if we kept away from the huts and camping areas there is a plantation to the south of the epinette trail that would be suitable. This would also take us away from the ski trails. At least the parking lot is ploughed!

Acurrier, where are you? I don't know many of the other areas in enough detail to recommend anywhere in detail. There are a number of Wildlife Management Areas along the Assiniboine that may work but it would be nice to be camped on a lake to get freshwater instead of melting snow.

Sure we'll be heading out on other trips. I want to get out again before Christmas.
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: acurrier November 27, 2012, 06:10:58 PM
I'm in Ashern, but a friend who lives east of the city was thinking about coming as well. I was actually poking around on the parks website, and Birds Hill (http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/parks/popular_parks/central/birds.html) looks like it is in the area we were hoping to meet. Has anyone been there before? Not sure if it is suitable.
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: thebushnut November 27, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
how about some where along hyw 308 we could follow the white mouth river. south of hadashville on hwy 1. It's about an hour east of the city. looks like a big empty green space on google maps. Grizz and I have camped there in the summer might do for winter. i suppose it depends on how much time we want to spend hawling sled vs sitting by the fire and doing day hikes.
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: Bothwell Voyageur November 28, 2012, 09:56:40 AM
I'm in Ashern, but a friend who lives east of the city was thinking about coming as well. I was actually poking around on the parks website, and Birds Hill (http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/parks/popular_parks/central/birds.html) looks like it is in the area we were hoping to meet. Has anyone been there before? Not sure if it is suitable.

OK you are a fair way north of Winnipeg and a long way from the eastern forest.

Forget Bird's Hill. It's nice but more of an urban park, heavily used and probably not appropriate for trad. style camping. We were there last weekend with the dog and the ski trails definitely dominate the forested area and whilst you could tuck yourself away somewhere the impact of several folk cutting poles for tents, burning a significant amount of wood and sh*tting in the woods would probably not be appropriate.

There may be something in the interlake but I don't have any detailed info and can only go on what Google Earth tells me!

Perhaps Hecla would work but that is probably three hours for me!

South of Hadashville off Hwy 1 is good in winter. Park at the gate of the forest discovery center and follow the trails there towards the river. However that is nearly as far as the northern part of the Whiteshell for you.

This is always difficult!

BV
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: Grizzly Adam November 28, 2012, 10:15:30 AM
BV is right Birds hill is not good for camping and getting any trail that has not been skied on is a miracle because the park is heavily traveled. The area south of Hadishville  where Jon and I camped in summer is closer and has river access for water and travel just not sure how far they plow the road. If anyone is interested I am going to Mars sand hills this weekend for my daughters first overnight winter camp is the in ground shelter. all are welcome cheers Grizz
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: acurrier November 28, 2012, 11:41:35 AM
It looks like the Whiteshell is going to make for the nicest camping trip. I don't mind the drive, I've gone further for less before. Whiteshell will also give members in NW Ontario the best chance of being able to make it.

For those who are familiar with the park, what do we need to camp there? Do we need to buy passes/register, or can we just show up? Is there a fee to use the park?
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: Grizzly Adam November 28, 2012, 03:00:20 PM
As far as I can tell you just need a Manitoba Provincial parks pass, I think there around the 30 buck mark. In the off season I don't think they really enforce it much but better safe than the alternative. I love the shield and going to pack way lighter this time so Chris won't have to break so much trail. I also got bigger shoes for my fat [email protected]# cheers Grizz.
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: michel November 28, 2012, 04:13:41 PM
Maybe there are folks from NW Ontario that would care to join us. (quote)      May be next year I am from Dryden so it is fairly close.I winter camp almost every year and I think you need at least 3 night to wort the trouble of all that packing.
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: Grizzly Adam December 10, 2012, 10:21:33 AM
So fellas we should start choosing a area to go White Shell is good but where? , Chris if you have some free time we should go on a scout of the area ,if  Jon is available we can all go . we also need to plan who is going and who many tents we need , my tent sleeps 3 and if Jon  and Rick are coming it will be full 3 men 2 dogs LOL warm tent LOL. Chris is the misses going are you bringing Molly? give me a call so we can work this trip out a bit.cheers Grizz.
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: Bothwell Voyageur December 10, 2012, 11:06:43 AM
She may come along but I suspect not!

One issue is having to have Holly on the leash 100% of the time. Her husky heritage is taking over! If left alone she disappears into the woods for long periods and if not careful she may not come back.

I will have the two man tent, happy to share but quite contented to spread out, eat curry and fart and snore...

BV
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: Grizzly Adam December 10, 2012, 11:40:37 AM
Warm tent lol MMMMM curry
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: acurrier December 11, 2012, 01:58:02 AM
I haven't had time to look at this trip any further. As far as where we go in the park, I'm going to leave that decision up to the people who know the area. Also need to know when/where we're meeting on the 4th.
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: Grizzly Adam December 11, 2012, 10:01:38 AM
Will do I will talk to Chris and Jon and find out logistics and post them
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: Grizzly Adam December 12, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
Hey Guys Chris and I are going to go and scout out some areas in White Shell on Saturday and find parking and route's If anyone has the day off your welcome to join us. We will meet at Seddon's corner at 9 am and head out down the 44 east from there. I talked to Jon and he is not 100% sure he can go the 4-5-6 Jan as there is big construction at work but I am 100% in and my VET friend Rick is 90% in and I believe Chris Is 100% in as well. what distance is everyone comfortable pulling sled in a day, Chris and I figured approximately 3 K so we will look for route's about that length.Cheers Grizz
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: acurrier December 12, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
3k should be fine. I'm definitely going to be there, and a friend will hopefully be joining me...just waiting to see if he can get the 4th off.

Unfortunately I won't be able to make it out there on Saturday, thanks for going and scouting out a campsite in advance.
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: Grizzly Adam December 13, 2012, 09:40:52 AM
sick very sick cough cough hack he he he LOL
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: Grizzly Adam December 17, 2012, 10:17:36 AM
Well Chris and I checked out a couple spots and we have 2 options, 1 is the hiking trail that goes from Red Rock to Cabin Lake. This is a overland trail with some hills with a return distance of 4.6 KM + 2.3 In and the same out we would have water/ice access.
Option 2 is the Francis Lake canoe route this is a small creek/slow river water way that winds a long way to the lake. The start point would be HWY 44 at Hanson's Creek and proceed to the south east following the creek, camp sites we stayed at last year was approx 2 KM in but a bit further down was better spots. The Ice conditions at the start point was approx 3-4 " thick and no slush that we saw and 4" snow on top. Both spots have nice views and clear haul paths and should pose no problems hauling sled.
The third place we looked at was a bush trail but was heavily used by ATV/sleds and would make pulling a nightmare not to mention melting snow for water.

I am really looking forward to this trip in January I think it will be a Party LOL Cheers Grizz.
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: acurrier December 17, 2012, 02:01:57 PM
Do both have good parking options?
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: Grizzly Adam December 17, 2012, 02:45:07 PM
Cabin lake trail was road was plowed and there was lots of traffic, and Francis lake you can pull off the road to shoulder or I can break trail with jeep into boat launch snow was not very deep at both locations.
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: thebushnut December 17, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
looking from google maps sat view they both should have ok parking.
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: Grizzly Adam December 17, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
Regardless we will have 2 4x4 vehicles and recovery straps / shovels to deal with any mishaps should they arise No worries fellas Cheers Grizz.
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: Bothwell Voyageur December 17, 2012, 04:34:22 PM
When were scouting routes we rejected several potential locations due to lack of parking. One good thing about Frances Lake is that there is another parking spot a few hundred meters down the road at the Bear lake trailhead which does seem to get plowed over the winter. So we could unload and move cars there if needed. (Unfortunately the bear lake trail is pretty much impassable for a toboggan!)

However there had been a vehicle in the Frances Lake lot. looked like a single snowmobile come off the back of a truck and had gone up the lake.

I'm trying to get organised enough to try the Cabin Lake Trail this weekend whether it will be a day trip or camp will depend on how much I get done in the next few days.

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: Grizzly Adam December 21, 2012, 12:50:38 PM
I believe Chris is going to try the Cabin lake route this weekend I am taking my Daughter to my winter shelter for 3 days with Rick. Sorta a gear shake down for him and me, I guess he will let us know how it is for campsites and such. The Francis Lake route we can go as far as we want and sites are easy to find. Cheers Grizz have a great Christmas
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: Bothwell Voyageur December 24, 2012, 04:40:25 PM
We checked out the Cabin Lake Trail yesterday. Grate trail, very pretty Boreal forest on a cold but stuunigly beautiful Manitoba day but absolutely no go for toboggan hauling!

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/SelenaandHolly_zps45339981.jpg)

first few hundred metres were really great. A level trail and would have made for easy pulling.

Then the trail dropped down to a beaver pond. Not so bad if it didn't immediately climb up onto a rock outcrop.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/viewfromhill_zps881d1085.jpg)

we were able to follow the pond around the corner to where we found a shallow slope to ascend to the top. The trail then folowed a series or outcrops, crossing gullies and rocky steps as it made it's way to the lake.

The real clincher though was the amount of blow down.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/blowdown_zpse9aec7f7.jpg)

Most could be circumvented by bushwhacking round the ends but hauling a toboggan round this lot would be a major task.

We made it to the lake where we snowshoed along the shoreline until we found a spot out of the wind for lunch.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/cookinglunch_zps49cda8de.jpg)

Selena tried out her new goggles. She had forgotten her sunglasses and needed some protection against the glare.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/goggles_zps53eecc63.jpg)

The snowmobiles make it into here from the north and south via a long cross country trail. Most look to be ice fishing, though we found one set that just looked to be pulling donuts through the juniper bushes on the shoreline where the rock sloped down to the water. Overall though it was a stunning lake and not too busy compared to some parts of the Whiteshell.

On the way back along the trail we crossed the beaver pond again, taking the steep slope downhill this time, and figured that maybe you could make a trail along the pond and cut through to another pond to the north to make it to the lake.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/canoepaddler/winter_pics/beaverpond_zpsa7198ae0.jpg)

Unfortunately it was getting late so we didn't have time to check this out to be able to say with any confidence what the route would be like.

So Frances Lake/ Hanson's Creek it is then!
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: acurrier December 24, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
Thanks for scouting the trail, would have been a pain to run into that en route!
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: Grizzly Adam December 24, 2012, 10:20:47 PM
Jon and I agree Frances it is, Sorry Chris could not go with but took the kid to mars for the weekend.just a side note to everyone on the trip bring boster cables LOL just replaced my battery knock on wood LOL Cheers Grizz.
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: thebushnut December 24, 2012, 10:56:54 PM
so Francis lake.....sure why not...never been there before!
were to meet up Friday morn?
what time? would be good to convoy out of the city.harder to get lost/separated en route.
does anyone need to car pool?
I've got room for 1+ gear or gear for 2 in my Pathfinder,(bringing large dog) though we might have to throw some stuff on the roof.
I live on the east side of the city. so if anyone wants to park at my house and ride with me they are welcome. send me a pm.
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: acurrier December 27, 2012, 07:53:36 PM
Well folks, we are a little more than a week away from the trip. Thanks to those folks who took the time to go scout out our campsite, it is appreciated.

From what I can tell, the people who will be attending are:

Myself + friend
Bothwell Voyageur + wife?
Grizzly Adams + friend + dog + daughter?
thebushnut + dog

Please let me know if I missed anyone. It looks like Hwy 44 (from Beausejour) will take you straight to the Frances Lake parking lot, is that correct? Are there signs indicating Frances Lake?

Lets aim to arrive at the Frances Lake parking lot on January 4th at 10am, and be on the trail by 11am. If anyone can't make it for this time please let me know.
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: Grizzly Adam December 28, 2012, 09:15:27 AM
Heading East on 44 you will see a small bridge marked HANSON'S Creek , this is the put in for Francis lake canoe route. The pull out is just past the creek on the right side, and if it is snow plowed in we can park 100 + meters at Bear lake lot. Gonna be fun can't wait. cheers Grizz. PS we should PM each other with Cell #'s so if anyone has car problems/delays we can adjust accordingly. 
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: thebushnut December 28, 2012, 05:22:19 PM
It should be a 2h drive from the city. if anybody wants we can meet up at Seddon's corner just before 9am and convoy it to Hanson's creek. If anybody wants to car pool I live on the east edge of the city and will have room for 1+ gear. Pm me and let me know.
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: Grizzly Adam December 31, 2012, 04:54:48 PM
Have a Happy New Year Fellas cheers Grizz.
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: Grizzly Adam January 01, 2013, 11:34:38 PM
Gear's all packed good to go, Chris if you have time give me a call to arange meeting place. I have to pick up Rick in st.vital so Jon and I will drive out # 15 hwy just need a meet up with you and Accuirer in the morning Jon and I were thinking Seddon's Cornner at 9Am. Looks like the weather should be good , I was hoping for blizzard but ya know. Jon still has room to car pool if you and him can arange a drop off/pick up point. Cheers Grizz
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: Bothwell Voyageur January 02, 2013, 11:17:07 PM
I would be coming up the 12 to Anola and then along Hwy 15 to Elma, then then the 11 to the 44 and via Rennie into the Whiteshell.

Jon, would you be able to meet somewhere on the 15 instead of the 44? There are two gas stations in Anola ( Esso on the south side or a Petrocanada on the north) further east the store in Elma would work as a place to meet.

Could car pool from either location if that helps.

Still in chaos from last weekend. Hopefully will get sorted tomorrow!

BV
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: thebushnut January 03, 2013, 12:10:18 AM
sure.. the Esso should be fine. I should top up the tank anyway. both Grizz and I will be coming down the 15, in winter I always think it's a good idea to convoy. what does't fit in with us can go with him. I'll be driving a black Nissan Pathfinder with rusty fenders. Grizz will be in his Cherokee. hopefully we'll be there 8:30ish. depends on traffic getting out of the city.
the goal is to be at the trail head by 10am and moving by 11. weather depending. I suppose if anyone is out there first and gets impatient we can always track em down.

I may have to have an afternoon nap. I hate early mornings.
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: acurrier January 03, 2013, 12:38:22 AM
I can keep an eye out for the Esso. I'll be meeting up with the friend that's tagging along, and then we'll be taking the 15 to Hwy 44. If I don't stop at the Esso though, no big deal. Grizz and I have exchanged cell phone numbers, so we should be able to find each other. I probably have the longest drive, so if anyone is going to be late getting there it will probably be me :)
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: Grizzly Adam January 03, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Yea we won't be hard to track It will look like some super otters went slide wild on the Ice. We will try to hook up in the morning and head out in a group, but if anyone is running behind no worries cells as long as we know the situation and adapt from there. I may be driving my work truck a red ford ranger might need the room LOL.cheers Grizz
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: thebushnut January 07, 2013, 09:00:42 AM
we're back! a good time was had by all. a full account with pictures and video will follow soon.
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: acurrier January 07, 2013, 06:25:27 PM
Had a great time, enjoyed meeting everyone. I know there was some talk of trying a second trip some time in March. We can figure out the 'when' later, does anyone have suggestions for 'where'?
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: Bothwell Voyageur January 07, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
It was a great weekend. Good company, nice weather and a great spot to camp!

Despite forgetting my knife, load lashing strap and tumpline I muddled through! Though judging by the amount of ironwork on display the knife was the least of my issues! Some of those belts weighed more than my tent!

Will try to find some info about locations up north. Maybe somewhere around Fisher Bay?

BV
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: acurrier January 07, 2013, 08:30:11 PM
Fisher Bay could be a possibility, or we could go hunting for crown land around the Gypsumville area...there is lots of beautiful country up that way.
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: Grizzly Adam January 07, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
There is the caddy lake canoe route/ hunt lake east shore to little indian bay, Warner lake via Davivson/rynar , the possibilites are endless. I to had a great time I like to meet new people and make new friends, can't wait for the next trip LOL cheers Grizz.
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: toban_bison January 08, 2013, 07:56:18 PM
Glad to hear you guys had a good time. Really wish I could have made it out. Next time for sure. Keep me in the loop.

Take care all. -j
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: wildernesstony12 January 11, 2013, 07:27:15 PM
hi everyone, i got to ask, you keep talking about places to camp are these place crown land coming off the parks i am from mass. along ways but am getting into hot tenting just learning and asking a lot of qustions
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: acurrier January 11, 2013, 07:55:48 PM
hi everyone, i got to ask, you keep talking about places to camp are these place crown land coming off the parks i am from mass. along ways but am getting into hot tenting just learning and asking a lot of qustions

I'm not sure how things work in the US. In Canada we basically have four different types of land:
On this trip we were inside a Provincial Park, which is monitored and maintained by provincial authorities. There are rules that have to be followed in Provincial/Federal parks, which all depend on where you are. Anything from parking permits, to restrictions on collecting firewood.

Crown land is owned by the government, and has very few restrictions on use. There is quite a bit of crown land near where I live, but if you are in an area like southern Ontario then you are going to have significantly less. You do not need permission to camp on crown land.

Hope that answers your question
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: thebushnut January 14, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
In the US you will have to contact the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to find areas that are open to camping and not in an official park.