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: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy October 29, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
Looking at getting a Fourdog Ti for an 8x10 snowtrekker.

What size would those with experience get? The Ul-1, or the Ul-2

The 1 is 10x10x18,

the 2 is 11x11x23.

Both will be baffled.

What say you?

Hutch
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide October 29, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
I have an 8 x 12 Snowtrekker (older model) Crew and the Fourdog ULTRA LIGHT-I (DX) and have found it more than adequate. I've had no issues with it and I'm one that keeps a fire going all night.

Cheers, Bioguide
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord October 30, 2014, 01:29:28 AM
I would go with the bigger one, I wish I could go with the bigger one ::)
Especially if you are looking for a longer burn time, and the longer fire box means less wood to cut...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy October 30, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Darn you guys! why couldn't you both have said the same thing!!?

 ;D

AunNord, I agree, I just am wondering if the extra four pounds, and like, two hundred fifty bucks is worth it. It may prove to be.

Bioguide,

Not to question your "hardcoreness", which is never in question, but what nighttime temps are you experiencing? Seems as though with a tent that large a bigger stove would be better for the reasons stated below..

I know it is a box with a pipe, and should be a simple decision, but I am very weight conscious, and want to glean as much info as I can from everyone before I potentially spend more on a stove than I did on my first vehicle. I would love to get the smaller one, but dont want to regret having the large.


Hutch
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide October 30, 2014, 08:30:40 AM
Good question Hutch. I just looked up the average low temperatures for the Adirondack region for Dec - Feb. The average lows are 5 to 10 degrees F (-15 to -12 C). I've been out with my set up and have recorded -10 F (-23 C) and felt comfortable with my stove which is an older model and doesn't have a baffle.

Cheers, Bioguide
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: brianw October 30, 2014, 09:43:02 AM
Just to add another data point.

I have the Four Dog Titanium Ultra light I-DX with the baffle (10x10x18) and I use it in my canvas wedge tent which is 11.5'x9'x7' (LxWxH) and it does a fine job at keeping the tent plenty warm.  I regularly see low temperatures in the -20C to -30C range.  Mind you, I don't run the stove overnight and I also don't run my stove full out either.  I have a stove pipe thermometer that indicates and ideal temperature range to keep it running at so I don't create any creosote in my stove pipe and not so hot that I am burning more fuel than necessary.  My sleep system is rated to -40, so I've never been cold while sleeping. 

Also consider how much floor space the stove is going to occupy in your tent.  The extra 5 inches of depth may not see like much, but it does make a difference when you consider clearances to the tent body.  Also for reference, see what size stove that Snowtrekker recommends for that size tent and get the closest size stove in the Four Dog Titanium line.

Cheers

Brian
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy October 30, 2014, 07:42:15 PM
Looks like it is down to a coin flip at this stage. I like the price, and weight of the small one, and like the potential longer burns, and larger capacity of the larger one. I wonder how much longer burn I will get out of the larger one...

I hate making decisions like this! Someone call Don and order one for me!!!

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy October 30, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
I do burn all night. So for that reason I am looking at the bigger one, but might eventually want the smaller one for my fauxtrekker tent, and the weight because I am solo more often than not....

ahhhh!!
 
I wonder if he would make an in between one?

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord October 31, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
You send him the money and I,ll place the order... I will then send you pictures the stove in my tent this winter... Hows that??

Funny things aside, What is the temperature that you are most likely to live in wile on trips? up here, in march let say, it goes at night from -5c to -35c...
And in December all the way down to -55c... The reason I have a wall tent now... 8)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy October 31, 2014, 12:18:40 PM
well, we will never hit minus 50 anything, but minus 38 was my coldest night so far. I was in another full wall 8x10, with a stove 12x12x24. I was very warm. I am leaning towards having more horsepower and may get  the large, if only for getting an extra 1/2 hour of burn time


: Re: Which Ti stove?
: brianw November 01, 2014, 10:29:50 AM

I wonder if he would make an in between one?

The smaller stove is 10"x10"x18"  and the larger one is 11"x11"x22", there isn't really much room for an in between size.

There is also the problem of getting a stove that is too big for your shelter and making it too hot inside your tent.

Let us know which one you decide on.

Cheers

Brian
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bothwell Voyageur November 01, 2014, 01:26:32 PM
One thing to consider is how much room the stove takes on your toboggan. I have a 24' stove and whilst it's nice to have the extra heat sometimes it does make for less room for my food box at the back of the toboggan.

This would be less of an issue if I were sharing gear but often I am tripping solo so have to find room for everything on just the one toboggan.

BV
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 01, 2014, 07:13:49 PM
ok. Screw it. I am going with the big one.

Thanks guys!

Hutch




: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord November 01, 2014, 08:28:23 PM
I think it is a smart move, I like the option of more wood, more heat, mind you whereI live it is rarely to hot in the tent...
Keep us posted on how it work for you!!

Cheers


: Re: Which Ti stove?
: rbinhood November 02, 2014, 09:58:03 PM
I bought the large one with the baffle and never looked back. If I am solo, I just burn less wood. If I want an all night burn, I just damper it down. But, having the larger stove gives me the option of being able to heat a larger tent, or a smaller tent at lower outside temperatures. I love the stove. It is truly a work of art. I think you made a good choice.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 03, 2014, 07:38:22 AM
Thanks to everyone for posting!

Rbinhood, how long of a burn time are you getting out of yours if you dont mind me asking?

My burn time definition= heat output, and still having enough coals to get more wood burning...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 03, 2014, 07:39:11 AM
and auNnord,  Where do you live?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: rbinhood November 03, 2014, 10:38:31 AM
With good hardwood, 6-8 hours. With softwood, 4-6 hours, possibly more if I really stuff it full and burn larger diameter logs.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 03, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
Really?? I can usually get hardwood where I am. That is very interesting. Wow. Even four hours with hardwood seems great. That is a heck of a burn time.

Looks like the large will do what I want for sure
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 03, 2014, 02:35:51 PM
I mean, that means for one two, or three people my hot tent setup will be thirty pounds, with a stove I can feasibly burn all night, which I really would like to do. Not too shabby really

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord November 03, 2014, 10:58:15 PM
I live in he Yukon, I have at the small stove from Snowtrekker (kni-co) and I can get an ease 3hrs burn in it, I can even stretch it to 4 if the weather is mild and I turn it down. I would love to have a bigger stove but the same weight....

Cheers
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 06, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
Well, I just called and ordered it. There was a thread on here a while back about Don, and someone mentioned that he seemed short of patience. Well, quit the opposite for me. My first call last week was to ask questions, ended up taking about 45 mins talking about stoves, sizes, his theory on winter camping, etc.

Now, I call to order one, and I end up talking to him for about an hour about everything from the US petrodollar, to politics, to African nomads,  the media, and the current state of the world!

Really cool guy to talk to, and he has an excellent outlook on life! And he claims the stove will in my posession before the end of the month!

Hutch
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord November 06, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
That is great to hear!! And less than a month to have the stove in your possession, that is quite fast!! I guess it could be different if I would order one... Since I live in the boonies...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy November 06, 2014, 09:53:36 PM
Come on, Canada post couldnt be that bad. Although you must be really hard hit now that Canada pots has abolished door to door delivery! Now it will take months for you to get a parcel!!

 ;D ;D ;D
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy December 17, 2014, 12:33:16 PM
Wellll,

I ordered the stove quite a while ago now. I think it was early November.

Christmas is in seven days, and today I was told it would be shipped next week. I call once every week and a half to two weeks, and that is the same thing I am told. I am a patient guy, but if he was too busy, and could not have it shipped till late December, just tell me from the beginning! I still would have ordered it!

At this point I am just hoping to have it for February.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord December 28, 2014, 01:13:16 AM
I hate when people tell you that they will have some thing ready a certain date and when that date arrive, nothing, but they never contacted you to tell you that the due date was gonna change. Bad customer service in my book.

Anyway, I hope you get it this winter....
Cheers
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy December 30, 2014, 09:47:28 AM
Thanks.

Getting the date wrong is one thing. Come January is a few days, the shipping date will have been missed my more than a month.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: rbinhood December 30, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
Hutch:

Call him and tell him you had a trip planned for the weekend of January 9-12 and you need the stove by then. Tell him that's more than a month past the date he said you would have it by. Tell him you made your plans based on what he told you. If he gets snotty, tell him you'll post negative reviews all over the forums dealing with Winter camping. You've been more than patient. I could see if he was sick, or some emergency came up, but I had the same issues when I ordered my stove. If the stoves weren't made so well, I'd suggest you call and cancel your order.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy December 30, 2014, 08:54:41 PM
Thanks for the advice guys.

I called him today and was polite, as always. He apologized and acknowledged that he has told me dates and not delivered.

He is busy, and while that is really no excuse, everyone is human. Frustrating,  but what the hell.

I have learned my lesson. If I want something from him again, I will order it in April  ;D

If it is not shipped in a few weeks, then I may use your strategy rbinhood...

Hutch
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: mbiraman December 30, 2014, 11:10:22 PM
I think it goes better if when we order things we realize were supporting small business, a family, that its, whatever it is, is a quality product , and we'll be happy when we get it. Its frustrating when things don't work out according to plan which is why its a good idea to make plans when we get the item, not before.

bill
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord December 31, 2014, 12:49:13 AM
It is all good, I guess. But in these days and age, with the access to the communication that we have, it is easy enough to grab the phone, write an email, to tell you clients that the product will be ready later than expected, It is super easy and takes no more than 5 minutes... We are not in the age of letters, and telegrams...lol
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: buddhabelly December 31, 2014, 08:57:58 AM
It's a matter of course that the people we buy our gear from are by necessity small businesses. That doesn't mean they get a free pass re:lack of communication and shipping delays. All it takes is a call or email and that's it, we're good. Keeping quiet doesn't engender any good will imo.

IF the manufacturer has taken on too large a workload then that's on him and he has to make good on delivery schedules. I honestly don't want to hear that they're too busy because they took on too many orders, they should only take work as it can be produced. I mean look at Empire Wool and Canvas, they tell you upfront when things are done and no more product is being made and they won't accept back orders. ymmv
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy December 31, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
 ok lets face it. I am trying to be nice so I won't piss him off so I can at least get the damn stove..

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: buddhabelly December 31, 2014, 07:06:19 PM
so we should hope for a looooong winter so you can get some use out of the stove when you get it ;)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy January 01, 2015, 12:50:54 AM
Ha ha. Oh, I didn't tell you guys? I totally intended on using it next year, not this year. How silly of you all to assume I wanted to use it this year!

 ;D
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: into the wind January 01, 2015, 04:17:08 PM
I don't think the fact the business is small is any excuse to not deliver your product on time. I am guessing Hutchy already paid for it, so the business owner has had the benefit of using Hutchy's money since the stove was ordered.

Very few small businesses that don't honor their commitments will ever grow into a successful large business.

I doubt that Don has any desire to become a large business. And in fact it may be that he is a successful small business that's gotten him behind in getting his orders out. I've bought a couple stoves from him and was lucky as I bought stoves he had in stock at the time. I hope he gets Hutchy his stove soon. I hate to see a basically good guy who makes a great product get thrashed on line. It's part of our computer age I know, but I don't like everything about it. I sure understand the feeling though.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven January 02, 2015, 12:05:21 AM
Hey guys - First time posting. I've found this forum a really useful source of information. I also ordered a UL2 stove from Don - back in September. He let me know at the time that it could be two months or more until the stove was ready to ship. I gave him payment information but he doesn't charge you until the stove ships.

I think these are basically being built in batches, so Hutchy and I will probably get our stoves around the same time. I wish the turnaround could be faster, but have resigned myself to wait and expect to get the high quality product Four Dog has built its reputation on.

I'll post when my stove ships and hope you'll do the same, Hutchy.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: rbinhood January 02, 2015, 08:44:39 AM
I characterize "bashing" as someone getting unfairly or wrongfully raked over the coals. When a member here reports that he ordered a product from a vendor that has not been delivered on time, that is objective information that others can use when deciding whether or not to purchase from that vendor. Nobody has suggested that anything said here was untrue. Nobody commenting is hiding behind their computer. They are relating similar experiences when dealing with this vendor.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: HOOP January 02, 2015, 12:26:28 PM
Hi folks,

I locked this thread, because I think all sides and opinions have been thoroughly expressed.  Hutch said the vendor was called on Dec 30 (between Christmas and New Years, and he was there and answered), and the update was received.  So I think the parties involved are in contact and working on it.

I know that we all order gear at the beginning of the winter season (I certainly do), so you can imagine the pile of orders coming in to the manufacturers at this time of year.  Combine that with family time during the Christmas-New Year's break, etc, and its a really busy time.   In talking with another Ti stove  manufacturer (not the one being discussed here), he mentioned to me that he simply cannot carry alot of inventory, because of the high cost of Ti, and bulk of the finished product.   Woodstoves are made of a fair amount of material and occupy space.  These small scale manufacturers cannot make a pile of Ti stoves ahead of time in the summer and stack them in a warehouse, especially when folks are asking for custom work.  We winter campers are not exactly a huge market!   :)   

So these Ti stove manufacturers are making the stoves based on orders coming in.  I know the particular vendor being discussed and I think he has had a reputation for many years as producing an excellent product, and being an innovator in the Ti stove industry.  I know also that occasionally he gets behind on orders.    In my particular line of work (not manufacturing), I know that delays often happen in development and delivery of products and services, because of chains of processes that have to occur and that are out of our direct control.  So it happens in all businesses. 

I know the feeling of anticipation of the winter season, and the huge decision to lay out the cash for a big gear purchase.  Once the button is pushed, the anticipation of delivery can be agonizing!   :)   Two months is a long time, especially when the season is upon us.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 02, 2015, 09:33:31 PM
Hey all. Just an update. At my request, Hoop has unlocked this thread. It is not to turn into a bash fest or it will be locked again. I simply want to make yall aware of a few of my dealings so far.

I have not received my stove yet. I am not going to say much other than if you are going to order a stove be prepared for a very long wait. You can read the previous posts in this thread. I finally talked to the owner again today, and it is almost finished...

Anyway, just wanted to give an update. I hope there is snow by the time I get it, since there wasnt when I ordered it..

Hutch

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide March 02, 2015, 09:53:01 PM
I am not going to say much other than if you are going to order a stove be prepared for a very long wait.

Hutch

Yes, a long wait. Actually, I called 2 weeks ago to order a Ti stove from Don for a new tent and Don wasn't taking any orders. I ended up buying a Snowtrekker large Kni-Co stove. Both stove and tent are in route and should arrive any day.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: AunNordDuNord March 02, 2015, 10:15:12 PM
For folks in Canada and the US to I guess with the canadian dollar value right now may as well buy canadian... Atuk tent have stove that actually look good, and a bunch of other stuff to, like big gauntlet mitts etc...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 02, 2015, 10:48:29 PM
Yea, I will say that with the exchange rate as it is now, I paid waaaaay too much for this stove, but I like to adhere to the "buy once cry once" philosophy. i sure hope the stove is as good as everyone says it is!

I think if I could get one thing across through this whole ordeal, it would be that if I had known that it would take this long to get the stove, I still would have bought it. It just would have been nice to know ahead of time instead of wondering.

Here's to optimism! I am going to be out every weekend with the stove next year to make up for it! Maybe I will plan a month long trip to break it in?? Getting excited for next year already and this one hasnt ended yet haha.

Hutch
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: buddhabelly March 03, 2015, 09:05:29 AM
well the forecast is calling for a cold March and April so you might still be good ! It'd also be light enough to take on a spring canoe trip when the fishing season opens up ;)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 03, 2015, 01:37:19 PM
True say. I am sure I will use it before next year haha. Just something about twenty below to really test a stove haha
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 03, 2015, 02:42:18 PM
I'm one of the other folks watching the mailbox, like Hutchy. Hopefully I can put my stove to use a couple times before it gets too warm. My kids are anticipating it as much as I am, I think!

I saw those Atuk stoves on their new website too - Do they have a baffle?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 09, 2015, 08:33:41 AM
Anything yet awdriven?

Calling for 8 degrees here this week. Gonna need an air conditioner before I need the stove ...lol
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide March 09, 2015, 09:23:57 AM
Gonna need an air conditioner before I need the stove ...lol

Received my tent and STOVE from Snowtrekker last Thursday (<3 weeks from ordering). I built the false bottom on Friday and fired it up this weekend for the initial burn. We'll be heading out the week after next to really break-in the stove... just sayin Hutch.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 09, 2015, 09:59:39 AM
Nothing yet - I did a quick check on normal UPS transit times and if they did actually ship last Tuesday via UPS ground, it would show up today. I think USPS is 1 day slower than UPS. I have a foot of snow on the ground by me but I bet most of it will melt this week.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 10, 2015, 08:04:26 AM
Let me know. I should be a day or so behind you in shipping, so it might give me a heads up.

And Bioguide, at this point I would prbably drag around a few more pounds for the rest of my winter trekking life than wait any longer!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 10, 2015, 09:59:27 AM
Sorry to say not yet!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 12, 2015, 08:52:38 AM
Just talked to Fourdog. My stove is half done, and should be shipped today.

 ::)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide March 12, 2015, 09:17:44 AM
Just talked to Fourdog. My stove is half done, and should be shipped today.

 ::)

Half done and yet shipped today? :o

Sorry...had too.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 12, 2015, 09:43:00 AM
Well, he mumbled a bit, but I am very sure he said half done.

Oh well. again I wait. ..
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 12, 2015, 09:43:56 AM
I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I mean, welds dont need to dry or cool, so technically he could send it today...

ah who am I kidding...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: rbinhood March 12, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
I feel for you bro. I gotta say, at this point I feel lucky I ever got my stove. My wait wasn't half of what you're going through.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 13, 2015, 01:58:57 PM
How is that tracking number?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 13, 2015, 03:16:50 PM
lol


He has finished writing most of the number down...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 16, 2015, 08:17:41 AM
MY STOVE SHIPPED!!!!!!!

have tracking number and everything!!!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide March 16, 2015, 08:55:39 AM
MY STOVE SHIPPED!!!!!!!

have tracking number and everything!!!

Nice...I just bought a splitting ax and was gleefully tracking it's progress to my door however it never arrived at my door nor any of my neighbors doors (see below). Someone somewhere has a nice new Gransfors Bruks... just sayin Hutch.

Location   Date   Local Time   Activity
Latham, NY, United States   03/14/2015   1:18 P.M.   We're attempting to verify the package location. / Lost package investigation
Latham, NY, United States   03/13/2015   7:25 P.M.   Delivered
03/13/2015   7:56 A.M.   Out For Delivery
03/13/2015   2:34 A.M.   Arrival Scan
East Syracuse, NY, United States   03/13/2015   12:04 A.M.   Departure Scan
East Syracuse, NY, United States   03/12/2015   3:26 P.M.   Arrival Scan
Doraville, GA, United States   03/11/2015   1:03 A.M.   Departure Scan
Doraville, GA, United States   03/10/2015   8:38 P.M.   Origin Scan
United States   03/10/2015   10:40 A.M.   Order Processed: Ready for UPS
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: memaquay March 16, 2015, 09:21:58 AM
That's great news!  I was still laughing about your previous post, "he's almost finished writing the numbers down", that made for a good chuckle!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 16, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
Bioguide, sorry to hear about your axe - did it make it to your door? I had some packages almost go missing once. Hutchy, stoked to see that your stove shipped! Maybe mine has too - I have to bug Don some more.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 16, 2015, 10:23:47 AM
Had that happen with a SIM card for a phone last year. Some guy named michael in toronto signed for it lol.

Thats a big time bummer on the GB. Did they ever get their equipment fixed? I tried to get another two months ago, and they said they were backordered because a machine broke down. 

and memaquay, I am glad someone saw some humor there. You never know if people get the joke or not lol

Awdriven, you got an email with no tracking number? Thats kind of odd.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bothwell Voyageur March 16, 2015, 10:57:43 AM
Your not having much luck. I bought a GB small splitting axe in October from Canadian Outdoor Equipment and it is a really sweet axe!

Hope you get all your toys at some point. It's gonna feel like Christmas all over again!

BV
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 16, 2015, 11:01:42 AM
Me too. It should have been christmas at...well, christmas lol
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 17, 2015, 08:40:29 AM
The stove is in St Paul Minnesota!

lol
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 17, 2015, 08:41:41 AM
Awdriven,

Any news on yours?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 17, 2015, 10:43:55 AM
No luck in getting through to him yet.  ???
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 17, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Wait a sec...didnt you say you ordered yours first??
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 17, 2015, 06:51:05 PM
Yea, but who's to say that the orders get fulfilled in the order they were received!? If our stoves shipped on the same day, I should have mine on Friday. I'll keep trying to get through. I'll be happy for you when you get yours!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide March 17, 2015, 07:27:56 PM
Hey Hutch, didn't you say your stove was in St Paul Minnesota?

Wow... I hope this isn't your stove:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KbF2HfYR4Z4/VQi35PRjMYI/AAAAAAAANPE/UMdrHQEUuYA/w370-h361-no/StPaulPaper.jpg)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: memaquay March 17, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Holy Cow!  Is that for real? :-\
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 17, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
Hahaha.  I must know how you made that!!

You just love raining on parades eh? Well keep it up. That is hilarious!!

And no, that must be awdrivens  ;) ...according to the tracking, mine just passed a sorting facility in Chicago.


I might feel a bit bad if I get mine first...I mean, not bad enough to have UPS send my stove to you instead, but pretty bad.

Hutch

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Canadian Corey March 17, 2015, 10:07:23 PM
That's pretty clever Bioguide.   ;D  Almost had me right fooled!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 17, 2015, 10:37:14 PM
No worries, it's been six months already, so if it's a little longer I can deal. It was a lot more tolerable to have someone else in the same boat with me; thanks. Did you get a UL1 or 2? I imagine if he's that buried, he's probably making things in batches. Mine might be an extra pain in the butt because my tent is relatively tall, so a lot of stove pipe to make.   The newspaper clipping had me going for a sec!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 18, 2015, 09:05:54 AM
I got the UL-2 with a baffle. Regular stove pipe.

What was yours?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 18, 2015, 09:24:15 AM
Also a UL-2 with a baffle. When you say regular pipe, do you mean galv steel? I'd assume that is just off the shelf. I think he makes 3 inch and 4 inch dia ti pipes and I think 4  inch is the regular size?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 18, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
Ah, regular meaning ti pipe i think, but regular lenth. Snowtrekker, so stove pipe does not need to be super long
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 19, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
I got pipe too, but I needed about 12 feet because my tent is a tipi design. After about a dozen tries over the course of a week and a half, I haven't been able to make phone contact. Hopefully it's because they are in the shop working.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 19, 2015, 12:44:08 PM
yea...hopefully... :-\
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 20, 2015, 12:00:29 PM
Stove in hand! It looks awesome.

It also seems like he gave me a free Bob dustrude saw with an extra bahco blade! Seems decent of him. Customs charges were ridiculous, so with the exchange I am pretty sure it was the most expensive stove in existence...

Test fire this weekend!
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: memaquay March 20, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
I can't wait to see pics of this legendary stove.  If you are going to give it a name, it should be The Sasquatch - "Often talked about, seldom seen".
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 20, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
lol.

I shall write a book. I will call it sasquatch stoves, woodpecker lips and unicorn fur. A laymans guide to winter camping terms...

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 20, 2015, 04:22:13 PM
Pics or it didn't happen! :)  I'm glad to hear it looks like the quality you expected. If ours shipped on the same day, today is when UPS would deliver it. I'm not really holding out hope, but we'll see.

I actually bought one of those dusted saws from Don earlier and I like it. I got the 30 inch size and you have to be a little sympathetic with how hard you crank on it when sawing, but it's a good piece of kit. I think the 20 or 24 inch would be a little more stout because of the shorter blade length. Nothing wrong with the 30, but you can't lean into it full strength like you would on a non-collapsing saw.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 20, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
True say. I actually was standing in for some friends at the outdoor adventure show and was selling them last year. They are super easy to set up!

So far, they appear to hold up to expedition use from what I have heard. Most folding saws tend to be a bit gimmicky.

This one is pretty decent.

I will try and upload pics, so long as I can figure out my dropbox account and such again.

: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 20, 2015, 06:04:22 PM
Let the bells ring! I have a box here from Don. I am finishing up some work and will check it out soon.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 21, 2015, 08:22:27 AM
I did a little test run last night to burn off the oils. Hutchy, if you got a shelf, I recommend putting it on for the first burn. I didn't and the shelves go on, just a bit fiddly. I wonder if the stove and shelf might slightly warp together if assembled and heated together.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 21, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
Thanks for the heads up.

I was aware it would warp, and turn funny colors, but that is all part of the fun. I didnt order it, and not sure I was charged for it, but I did get the side shelf. Cool.

I will put it on for the burn. Glad yours came! I am gonna try and get a burn going soon. I think that as it stands, the door on the stove is pretty airtight. I speculate that as the stove warps a bit, gaps might appear. I will say the stoe appears to be built solid as a brick $hithouse.

It does seem that winter is taking another stab at things. -18 projected here tonight, and about as cold tomorrow night, and it is snowing like md right now.

I may sleep outside tonight!!
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: rbinhood March 21, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
I would suggest a low heat, slow first burn. Split several rounds and lay the flats in the bottom of the stove and build your fire on top of the flats. Once the fire is going, keep the air and damper fairly restricted. Let the fire burn and go out without adding more wood.

On your second burn, light the stove the same way and add a little more air and open the damper a bit more. Again, don't add more wood.

I burnt my stove in this way and it has remained true to form. I can now allow fires in it to get the sides and top cherry red without fear of severe warping. The more you use your stove, the more you will appreciate it is a true piece of metalcraft art, and the happier you will be that you had the patience to wait it out. Have Fun!
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: brianw March 21, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
Come on now guys.  You know how it works on internet forums.  We need pictures of these titanium stoves in action. 

Granted the season is done for most, but it doesn't mean that we don't play with our new toys when we get them delivered after a very long amount of time.

Cheers

Brian
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: memaquay March 21, 2015, 07:20:52 PM
Ya, what Brian said....
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac267/memaquay/useless_without_pics_2.gif_zpsy6ov3ibi.jpg) (http://s906.photobucket.com/user/memaquay/media/useless_without_pics_2.gif_zpsy6ov3ibi.jpg.html)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 21, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
Lol. Hold yer horses now.

Only issue is that I cant remember how to get on my Picassa page. Uploading to this forum is always a challenge because the last time I used picassa was about four years ago.

I will say that it is projected to be twenty below tonight, and i am going to be staying in the tent.

I burned the stove twice now, and wow. Waaaaay better than what I was using. It is about minus 5 here now, and that stove just pumps the heat into the tent. I purposely kept the heat down, and the vent was close to closed and the heat just poured from it on very little wood. I guess that is the great heat transfer properties of the ti.

I couldnt imagine getting it roaring, and being in the tent as well at outside temps like this.

Because I had it so low, and it pushed the heat out, I am thinking that I should be able to almost close the vent after it is going, and have a looong burn. Also, I have not even come close to filling the stove yet with wood. Very happy so far.

Will report back in the morning. I feel like a kid haha
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 22, 2015, 09:13:11 AM
Well, it dropped to -16 last night.

I had a fire going at about 6pm, didnt fill the stove all the way. I went in for dinner at 7, turned the stove down and left.

I cut some maple off of my property with the new saw. Took about ten mins. I also brought out three pieces of cordwood from my house, just in case.

Got back at 930, with sleeping bag, fully expecting to have to make a fire. Well, there was more than enough coals left from the 6pm partial load of wood. Three mins later, the tent was uncomfortably warm, and I turned it down and fell asleep in the new Wiggys bag. (ridiculously warm)

I woke at 1:45 to answer natures call. The stove still had a massive bed of coals, and I probably could have shut it down further (almost a fully closed vent) I filled the stove, and went back to sleep. The air temp in the tent was above freezing all night.

I woke again at 5:37, and same deal as before. A massive load of coals, and a few pieces of wood still had their shape, but were glowing furiously.

I knew it was only a couple hours till I had to get up, so I put two pieces on, and left the vent open just a bit further.

In two hours, with the vent open further this time, it was down to coals. I put on three 1" sticks, opened the vent, and again, in minutes the tent was toasty warm..

I figure that in terms of decent heat output, with dry maple, I got 4 hours between fills, and with decent dry wood (mine had a few random damp punky spots) I should be able to get 5 hours easily, maybe more with a low heat output. Because Ti has an excellent ability to transfer heat, it seems any heat it makes is transferred directly to the tent, and most times of night there was a glowy spot or two on the top of the stove, which makes me think I could have reduced the draft even more.

I think that even with pine, or spruce, with a lower BTU per volume, I could get 4 hours between fills if I can assure that the wood is dry.

I have to say that as promised, with almost any amount of wood in the stove, with the vent open anywhere near half or higher, a red glow spot shows up very fast in the middle of the stove, and looks perfect for two pots.

I could not imagine filling the stove and opening the vent for any longer than a minute. It would completely cook you out of an 8x10.

I was perfectly comfortable, and wore nothing at all on my head.  I never did the bag up tight, and often had it unzipped.

Works exactly as I expected, as did the wiggys bag. I was way to warm in that bag. I feel that there are no temperatures in ontario that that combination of stove, tent, bag, and pads would not be perfectly adequate.

Hutch
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: rbinhood March 22, 2015, 12:08:30 PM
Your burn time is consistent with my experience, as is your heat output.
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: southcove March 22, 2015, 12:29:16 PM
I would be very much interested (anecdotally or scientifically) to whether other users have found the Ti stove(s) superior to the sheet metal stoves for burn times, and output...
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: awdriven March 22, 2015, 12:58:07 PM
Here's a couple very quick snaps - Nothing too interesting because I haven't set it up in my tent yet. I want to set up the full length of flue pipe and see if I need to get together some kind of heat shield.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tgts3nxyd3jsj2v/AACriujRelVGvlrkZ8RJXzJ0a?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tgts3nxyd3jsj2v/AACriujRelVGvlrkZ8RJXzJ0a?dl=0)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: memaquay March 22, 2015, 05:46:24 PM
Hard to believe grown-ups could get so excited about a chunk of precious metal!  Thanks for posting the pics.  Are there any other stove makers out there working with titanium?
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 22, 2015, 07:43:47 PM
Seek outside, kifaru, and titanium goat and I think Hill People Gear all make collapsible ones, either box style , or the cylinder stoves, and Brian at Muskrat metalworks made a few, despite a lack of advertising. I dont think his are officially on the market yet. Fourdog is the only company I know who makes a good, tough, dependable, ti Stove that is somewhat airtight.

From what I have heard the other ones leak enough air as to be really unusable for burning during the night. 
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Bioguide March 22, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
SFourdog is the only company I know who makes a good, tough, dependable, ti Stove that is somewhat airtight.
From what I have heard the other ones leak enough air as to be really unusable for burning during the night.

Hey Hutch, nice to hear you have your stove.

If you haven't already thought of it you can easly add a stove gasket around the FourDog stove opening. I took a piece of stove gasket and snaked a heavy gauge wire up through the middle of the gasket and then bent it around the lip of the door opening. It's held on with pressure from the wire. It was a nice improvement in the stoves air tightness.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/akOugjSEj_-g3M3lt008Nm9DJPW-MwHDF0M0V7H3Bfw=w368-h207-p-no)
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: HOOP March 22, 2015, 08:23:50 PM
Congrats lads at finally receiving your stoves!  Whuuhoo!  That was some backorder!   ;) 

For burn time experiments, mods to gaskets, etc., maybe think about starting some new threads?   ;)
: Re: Which Ti stove?
: Hutchy March 22, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
I had already thought of the fire gasket! As per hoops request, maybe I will start another thread on it