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: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: kie November 28, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
Hey there everyone,

It's Kielyn from Lure of the North.

Dave and I are currently looking for a tight seal stove with a nice cooking surface to replace our current stove in our home. We want the Five Dog ideally but he doesn't have any available right now.

Does anyone have one or something similar they would like to sell?

Thanks for your time,

-kie
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: rbinhood November 29, 2014, 09:27:19 PM
I talked to this guy earlier this week.  https://wausau.craigslist.org/spo/4767649566.html

He will take $200.00 for the stove. Even if it costs you $200.00 more to ship it, you still have it for a good price. Stainless, so it will not rust, and airtight. He had it in an ice shack and said it produced too much heat. He is located in Marshfield, WI, some distance from you, so getting it there might be problem. He said he thinks it weighs 130-150 lbs.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Harlan November 30, 2014, 09:42:39 AM
Kie, would you be interested in a proper wood stove or are you just looking for a smaller unit?
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Hutchy December 01, 2014, 05:39:14 PM
Kie,

Can I ask what the issue is with the one you have?
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: buddhabelly December 01, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
Also curious why you'd prefer a Five Dog for heating a home. I would go with a heavier, efficient stove myself but don't know your circumstances.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Hutchy December 01, 2014, 09:09:53 PM
First off guys, they live in a tent. That should answer a question or two...
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Soledad December 01, 2014, 10:50:31 PM
Brian Maruska had a big stove at the Symposium, and I am not sure if he sold it or not.  Might want to look up Muskrat Metal works on facebook and see if he still has it or if it would would for you.  He may even build you a custom stove.  He has been sending many stoves up north.
-Matt
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: AunNordDuNord December 01, 2014, 11:15:06 PM
Up here a few people live in tents or Yurts, and all the one I know have same stove used in houses, if you are not moving that tent around, buy the stove that will give you the longest burn. I have a Blazeking King in our house( we use only wood as our heating source) and our house is not much better than a wall tent.... So far, Blazeking is the best stove on the market for that purpose.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: buddhabelly December 01, 2014, 11:23:29 PM
Had no idea they live in a tent and that info would have been useful. Also, I believe the Conovers had a traditional wood stove in their canvas home, pretty sure a photo was in their Snow Walker book.

If they live in a sizeable permanent tent, I'd still use a modern stove in it for burn time and heat retention.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: chimpac December 01, 2014, 11:38:46 PM
If was going to live in a tent like shelter all winter it would be made with sheets of rigid insulation that maybe would not cost to much more. The saving in cost of wood and labor would go to more than pay for the extra cost of the insulation sheets. I would have the roof no higher than needed for a person to stand up in part of the living space.
 
I want to edit in another option for living all year in a tent. That would be an insulated square tarp with the chimney in the center. There would be a problem of letting in some light.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: DMarrone December 02, 2014, 09:22:19 AM
Thanks for all the responses - sorry about the slow reply as we've been on the road.
We're in a wall tent that is 14' x 16' with 5' sidewalls and 8' peak. 
(http://lureofthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/35Tent-OGP_small.jpg)

We're currently using a "2-hole camp stove" from Great West Metal:
http://www.greatwestmetal.ca/products/sheet-iron-camp-stoves (http://www.greatwestmetal.ca/products/sheet-iron-camp-stoves)

Its a great stove during the day, and a nice cooker with the removable top sections, but at night it takes on a whole new, malevolent character.  It leaks far too  much, and even with a pipe damper it burns through all of our wood and wakes us up sweating and swearing after a couple of hours. At night we put weights on the top plates to slow the leaks there, and I could probably look at fire cloth for the door, but ultimately I think it would be an uphill battle with this stove as it is very light construction. 

So we're looking for something a little more airtight.  We haven't ruled out a conventional stove designed for homes, but I'm not yet convinced they're a better choice.  They might have better combustion efficiency, but I think the un-insulated stoves have better heat-transfer efficiency, so the amount of wood required might be similar in either case.  And most of the stoves I've looked at designed for homes don't have the nice cooking surface that a stove like the 5-dog has... thus the preference towards a simpler trail stove. 

We do have another wall tent (smaller @ 10' x 14') that we made ourselves in Sudbury.  It currently has a 5-dog in it, and we are able to get an all-night burn with it using birch or similar.  (Currently trying to resist the urge to rob the stove from that tent as we still use it from time to time).

Thanks for the good suggestions thus far, I think we will contact Brian Maruska and take a look at the stainless one on Craigslist as well.   
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: chimpac December 02, 2014, 09:49:01 AM
Up here a few people live in tents or Yurts, and all the one I know have same stove used in houses, if you are not moving that tent around, buy the stove that will give you the longest burn. I have a Blazeking King in our house( we use only wood as our heating source) and our house is not much better than a wall tent.... So far, Blazeking is the best stove on the market for that purpose.
If your Blazeking chimney entered the bottom of a barrel on top of the stove, letting the smoke out under the inside top the barrel then out the bottom of the barrel to the outside you would have a rocket stove. This would capture a lot of heat and give you a much cooler chimney.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: rbinhood December 02, 2014, 01:04:00 PM
Dave:

What a beautiful tent set-up you have in the picture. You are fortunate to have a wife who is willing to live in such accommodations, as mine would surely never consider living in a tent to be an appropriate abode.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: awbrown: N. Illinois, USA December 02, 2014, 01:14:04 PM
Dave:

What a beautiful tent set-up you have in the picture. You are fortunate to have a wife who is willing to live in such accommodations, as mine would surely never consider living in a tent to be an appropriate abode.

I'm sure that Dave realizes what a gem he has in Kie.

My wife's idea of living in a tent is to have a sun umbrella on the back porch. But she lets me go off on my little adventure's with no whining (actually I believe she is relieved to get me out from under her feet).
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: AunNordDuNord December 02, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
This would be my choice if I was in your moccasins(shoes)... http://jotul.com/ca/products/stoves/jotul-f-118-cb-black-bear
These stove a one of the best stove on the market today, they are small but efficient. You can cook on... you can cook on any stove really...

An other choice would be this... http://www.vermontironstove.com

But if you have a bit o time and I know your guys are quite handy, I would built a "rocket stove" I think it would be cheep, efficient and made to cook on!!

Cheers
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Hutchy December 02, 2014, 04:29:06 PM
Dave.

Does your large generator have 220V available?

If so, maybe borrow a wire feed welder, and with a few scraps or metal you might be able to tighten it up a lot.

At LU when I was using my cheapo stove, I was experiencing the same thing. I did a terrible, yet functional weld job and I can damper it back and get 4 hours easy now.

Just a thought.



: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: DMarrone December 03, 2014, 08:16:21 AM
Dave:

What a beautiful tent set-up you have in the picture. You are fortunate to have a wife who is willing to live in such accommodations, as mine would surely never consider living in a tent to be an appropriate abode.

I'm sure that Dave realizes what a gem he has in Kie.

No doubt!  :)

I think I may have found our stove locally.  I'll report back what we find.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: DMarrone December 04, 2014, 08:13:21 AM
Ask and you shall receive! 

Kielyn and I are teaching moccasin making to a high school outdoor ed. program this week.  It is a phenomenal program with a great tripping component. The teachers mentioned a big stove they bought but found too heavy for trail use - "sounds like a Four Dog" we said.  Sure enough, in the back corner of the gear room we found a great 5-dog stove, complete with stainless water jacket and reflector oven.  Traded the stove and a huge wall tent (which will eventually be a guest cabin) for a couple of toboggans! 

My lucky day, thanks to the fine folks at Georgian Bay Secondary!
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: awbrown: N. Illinois, USA December 04, 2014, 11:27:15 AM
Bingo......The Lord works in mysterious ways. Glad that you found what you needed. A "guest tent".......I love it. Best wishes to you and Kie for this winter tripping season.
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: tg December 04, 2014, 04:14:52 PM
SCORE!
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: Soledad December 04, 2014, 04:50:27 PM
An early Christmas present!  Good things come to good folks.
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: memaquay December 06, 2014, 11:16:02 PM
That is quite a score!

I have one of those two holers, and I have a new one coming in.  I like the idea previously suggested of welding the pot holes down, and I think I will do that with the new one, as well as spot welding any obvious holes.
This is a pic of it rocking away last night in the big wall tent in my backyard.
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac267/memaquay/DSC01020_zpsa1ea9a2a.jpg) (http://s906.photobucket.com/user/memaquay/media/DSC01020_zpsa1ea9a2a.jpg.html)
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: memaquay December 06, 2014, 11:21:03 PM
How high do you guys have your stove pipe coming out over the tent?  Got a little carried away starting the stove up tonight and got my first spark hole.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: chimpac December 07, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
Has anyone on the forum who has a baffle in their stove ever had a hot ember come from the chimney and burn a hole in your tent. Spark arrestor or no spark arrestor.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: awbrown: N. Illinois, USA December 07, 2014, 12:27:54 PM
Minimize spark holes by angling your chimney away from your tent and don't use newspaper to start your fires. That will minimize the chance of spark holes, but you're gonna get some anyway.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: AunNordDuNord December 07, 2014, 01:46:10 PM
No baffle, no spark arrestor, no burn holes... That said, I would like my next stove to be a bit bigger, a bit lighter, and with a baffle.

: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: DMarrone December 08, 2014, 06:00:33 AM
How high do you guys have your stove pipe coming out over the tent?  Got a little carried away starting the stove up tonight and got my first spark hole.

Our pipe exits the front wall of the tent @ 45 degrees; turns vertically, and exits the tarp (which overhangs the front of the tent by ~ 7') near the ridge of the tarp.  Currently the pipe ends 1' above the tarp, but we have another 2' section in the vehicle that will be installed when we get home.  The tarp is fire-retardent; from Snowtrekker.  We put a bunch of spark holes in our first snowtrekker tent, before realizing that it was from the food boxes we were burning in the stove.  We're no longer burning paper or cardboard in any of our tent stoves.

I guess for a good portion of the heating season, we'll also have a nice blanket of snow protecting the tarp...

I'm excited to get our new stove in place and test out the oven!
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: memaquay December 08, 2014, 09:54:15 AM
Thanks for the info...I realize now my mistake, I had been burning for a couple of weeks, no problems.  I threw and empty cigarette pack in the fire the other night, and I'm pretty sure now that's what caused the holes.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Bothwell Voyageur December 08, 2014, 10:55:21 AM
Not sure when they started putting stove pipes out the roof of wall tents.
The end wall is by far the best place and allows you to use your exterior pole frame to support the stove pipe, plus it reduces the chance of spark holes.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: chimpac December 08, 2014, 09:08:17 PM
When the chimney is put out the side of your tent with a regular type stove
you have a very hot chimney to deal with going through the fabric. You might avoid burning holes in your tent by going out the side but you might set the forest on fire.

  A chimney cools off a lot when it goes through the highest part of your tent.
A simple baffle in the stove stops all sparks.

A rocket stove operates with a much cooler chimney and can even be vented under the side of a tent.

: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: Bothwell Voyageur December 08, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
That may be true but from what I have read/seen it used to be more common to go out the ends which also avoids the difficulties of fitting a fly around the stove pipe. Maybe the switch to new water repellent/fire retardent materials made it possible to avoid setting light to your tent and removed the need for a fly?
It is still possible to exit high enough on the ends to have several feet of pipe between stove and tent if it is done right, much more than the distance on my Snowtrekker.
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: kie December 18, 2014, 07:45:18 PM
Hi everyone,

Thank you very much for all of your replies. We did end up finding exactly what we wanted and it burns SO much nicer at night. Our wee little wood pile might actually last us the winter! If not we will just have to go on another trip!

Sorry it took me so long to respond. The forum this is new to me and I got very side tracked with workshops.

Thanks again and happy trails to everyone this winter!!
: Re: Looking for a new\used stove for our tent\home
: SJR66 January 28, 2015, 10:06:22 PM
Hey I am new to all this and figuring out how to use the forum but I wanted to say how cool that setup you have is! SWEET!