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: Adirondack snoskishoe
: Bioguide March 27, 2016, 06:50:31 PM
I went ahead and have these in the works for next season:

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Construction:
 
Vertical laminated core of Vermont hardwoods (ash and maple) under the binding screws and poplar in areas that don’t require screws with maple sidewalls for durability.

It will get a 4001 grade sintered P-tex base and a 1/42” veneer maple top sheet with biaxial fiberglass on top.
 
This will all be laminated with Entropy resins Epoxy and pneumatically pressed into a mold with a 45 cm rocker tip and an 8-10 cm tail flair. It will have slight camber underfoot of 2-4mm.
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: Moondog55 March 27, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Interesting
As a skier I don't know how I'd handle something that wide tho, on the downhill slide my feet would be much further apart than my shoulder width
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: AunNordDuNord March 27, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
Looking awesome!!  My only concern, is the fiberglass bottom... You need to explain the need for that!!
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: into the wind March 27, 2016, 08:36:41 PM
Nice Kelly, I hope they work out!

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: Bioguide March 28, 2016, 11:11:41 AM
Looking awesome!!  My only concern, is the fiberglass bottom... You need to explain the need for that!!

We changed the base layer to a 4001 grade sintered P-tex.
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: AunNordDuNord March 28, 2016, 11:52:08 AM
Now we are talking... You said "we" so you are into that with someone... So that isn't a back yard project DIY kind of thing ;)
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: Bioguide March 28, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
Now we are talking... You said "we" so you are into that with someone... So that isn't a back yard project DIY kind of thing ;)

Correct...not in my backyard, garage, or basement type of project.
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: Kaifus March 28, 2016, 05:58:27 PM
All I can see is a minus sign - no picture, but it sounds interesting...
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: brianw March 28, 2016, 06:04:31 PM
All I can see is a minus sign - no picture, but it sounds interesting...

Same here, Kaifus.  Whatever was linked there certainly does sound interesting.  This picture or video link needs to be checked for proper sharing permissions.

Cheers

Brian
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: Bioguide March 28, 2016, 07:04:07 PM
All I can see is a minus sign - no picture, but it sounds interesting...

Same here, Kaifus.  Whatever was linked there certainly does sound interesting.  This picture or video link needs to be checked for proper sharing permissions.

Cheers

Brian


Is this working?:

https://goo.gl/photos/oJsofAaNZVCykS699

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sv9ToQ7i6Jo/VvfJzgwv7gI/AAAAAAAAOZI/PYOeBLOzNEMW3_HGDKN3FA6VQwZMcwKUQCCo/s628-Ic42/Adk_backwoods_ski.jpg)
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: AunNordDuNord March 28, 2016, 08:43:59 PM
It was... It wasn't... It is!!

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: MistyHollow March 29, 2016, 07:38:28 AM
BioGuide,

They look like they are going to be alot of fun!
If this is going where I think it is, can I please, please be a test pilot  :P  ;D

Dan
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: Bioguide April 28, 2016, 01:58:28 PM
BioGuide,

They look like they are going to be alot of fun!
If this is going where I think it is, can I please, please be a test pilot  :P  ;D

Dan

Hey Dan, I'm not sure where you think this might be going but these particular skis' are only going on my boots!
: Re: Adirondack snoskishoe
: Bioguide April 28, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
Update:

The cores are done and have 17 individual wood stingers and are 145 mm wide. They will get shaped and profiled in later steps. The outer stringer on maple will be the sidewalk of the ski.

From center outward either way symmetrically :ash center, maple, ash, poplar, ash, poplar, poplar, maple, maple.

They did it this way to make them strong and to use up some of the thinner, but no less in quality, stock they had leftover from work for some alpine skis' and cost savings...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K1C3Tk7L_J0/VyJSmOsY89I/AAAAAAAAOdY/uEhmOtydtMY1AqovEYK3GtBIWRt8eVf3QCCo/s640/IMG_33652.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kEfOywMZXQw/VyJSn0ckU-I/AAAAAAAAOdc/XbW2rWQ02bMDpMXMj74yoq3MCchyr4hhACCo/s512/IMG_33603.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OurHgVXbpp8/VyJSpH9ZfpI/AAAAAAAAOdg/z8GBvtSOCgkP-wmGbAf4q9DTeI8moZr4QCCo/s512/IMG_33591.jpg)
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: h_t April 28, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
don't know how I missed this one... looks interesting
are they going to get thinned to 4 mm? and shaped, not bent..?

what's the cost, if you don't mind? and how are these different from Hocks?
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: Bioguide April 28, 2016, 04:55:00 PM
don't know how I missed this one... looks interesting
are they going to get thinned to 4 mm? and shaped, not bent..?

what's the cost, if you don't mind? and how are these different from Hocks?

Hi h_t, after laminating they will be pneumatically pressed into a mold with a 45 cm rocker tip and an 8-10 cm tail flair. The estimated thickness, when complete, is the waist will be ~13.6 mm and 6.5 mm thick at the tip and tail.

These will be 24 cm wide which are almost twice the width of the Hoks.

Cost...hmmm. About the same cost it would be for the Russian skis', time to set up the importing shipper license account to obtain those skis', and the importing and shipping fees.

These are made in Vermont.

Pic of the template:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1sfSSIU6LD8/VyJzSNyfsjI/AAAAAAAAOeE/rgWGZe7uivU3Eg5eGCxY6GIMUZTg1RWawCCo/s512/IMG_33681.jpg)
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: AunNordDuNord April 28, 2016, 06:10:02 PM
Wow you are not wasting time, good for you!! I think the will be a lot different than the HOK, in the fact that they will be much wider so  lot more flotation!!
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: into the wind April 28, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
Nice Kelly!! They are looking great. It's nice they are keeping you up to date on the progress. Thanks for sharing.
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: h_t April 28, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
Thanks for the details, Bio.
If you don't mind - share where one can order those.
I think 24 cm is too wide for skis, but you tell us what you think after you try them :)
Russian say - Prepare snow sled in the summer and the wheel cart in the winter, sounds less convoluted in the original.
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: MistyHollow April 29, 2016, 07:03:34 AM
Bioguide,

They are coming along very nice. I am really looking forward to hearing....seeing.... how they work.

Are these a one off or is there a chance of a niche market?

Dan
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: Bioguide April 29, 2016, 06:05:31 PM
Bioguide,

Are these a one off or is there a chance of a niche market?

Dan

Before committing to additional orders the builder wants to see how they turn out "I'm the guinea pig". I'll keep posting for sure.
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: Bioguide July 07, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
It's been a busy spring/summer so far. I was out for the past two days cutting and splitting a winter wood supply at a new winter camp location.

I received an update on my skis' today. The core material has been shaped and the cutting of the base material and top veneer are done. Below are photos of the shaped core and core profile. Next they go into the molds.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1g0iPc_Dfu8/V36_pZMX-mI/AAAAAAAAOr4/RJhEpDgykZ03hCKTurDg0LMB4Un3SQ0UwCCo/s512/IMG_3651.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PHjRMVrWQC4/V36_n8G1A7I/AAAAAAAAOr4/2j1_qF4voY89jQCLPXnMazDESqnVO4TogCCo/s512/IMG_3652.JPG)
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: MistyHollow July 07, 2016, 08:59:48 PM
Bioguide these are looking better and better every time you up date them. Are you sure they haven't got an extra pair that need testing?

Dan
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: brucekissinger July 07, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
Make that two extra pairs
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: into the wind July 11, 2016, 10:50:20 AM
They look great Kelly! Can hardly wait to hear how they work this winter.
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: Bioguide July 14, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Skis' came out of the press today and were cleaned up. They still need the makers logo, several applications of spar varnish on the maple veneer top, and a base grind.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KdSkj4Yo9c0/V4fiYCh_Q9I/AAAAAAAAOv4/koisuuEbSnQnqnD5kdaZ4c7cU-6GmkD0ACCo/s512/IMG_3670.JPG)
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: AunNordDuNord July 15, 2016, 01:12:58 AM
Looks awesome!! Great work!
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: MistyHollow July 15, 2016, 07:12:47 PM
And Snow!

Lots and lots of SNOW.
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: Bioguide July 17, 2016, 09:58:22 PM
Makers logo and specifications. 3rd coat of varnish is drying now and will do a 4th then a good sanding and a finish spray coating. Now the long wait for snow... but before any snow trips I'm off to Algonquin Park for 7 days of open water exploring in August and then 2 weeks hunting this fall in the Adirondacks.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FgdsK9EvWeU/V4wz15iU6wI/AAAAAAAAOw4/rgRcv_wKVsAhUWWe6RGy1srNNxPCdjkXACCo/s640/IMG_3672.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Mxa3yhB2o-I/V4wz12syd_I/AAAAAAAAOw8/i5xfqgGM55YvF8P0GakhZ5ttphL6y8gDwCCo/s512/IMG_3673.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6FXYVzYu55U/V4wz1yksr_I/AAAAAAAAOwc/UTSxDYLtPwAKhch_hZ3eCFQbMHuSOlflACCo/s512/IMG_3674.JPG)
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: h_t July 18, 2016, 02:12:57 PM
Looking good. I still think it's too wide.
Stop by on the way to Algonquin (who goes there anyways..? It's overcrowded touristy place ;) )
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: AunNordDuNord July 18, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
Looking really good! I like them!!
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: Bioguide September 10, 2016, 09:05:11 PM
Looking good. I still think it's too wide.

I received the skis' yesterday and have ordered 140mm BD GlideLite Mix STS cimbing skins that will go down the center of each ski.

h_t, I think the width is going to work out fine for me; I just need a good dumping of snow: https://youtu.be/yVQ78g1-26Y (this video demonstrates the floatation comparison between 15 and 20 cm skis' and the typical bindings used for these types of skis'.)

I'm undecided about which bindings to mount on the skis'. I currently have two types of universal bindings I can mount:

1.) Flexi Plateau: https://icetrek.com/shop/flexi-plateau-polar-ski-bindings/

2.) The Universal Hok binding: http://us-store.altaiskis.com/product/universal-binding/

I'm inclined to use the Flexi Plateau as it's lighter than the Hok's universal binding and its easier to get on and off a boot. What I really would like is a binding similar to those in the video link above i.e. simple toe straps. Does anyone know of a US/CA vendor selling bindings similar to those in the video? Or does anyone have any suggestions for improvising similar bindings to those in the video?

Edit: I came across this video of the start of binding straps from a craftsman building his own pair of skis: https://youtu.be/8yGQHsCM_kM?t=1094 I could mount something similar and run a strap between the mounting brackets...







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: h_t September 11, 2016, 08:42:45 PM
I am going to watch the last video you linked later.
The simple straps are easy to make (and I know I'd go for this option, considering $240 alternative :) )
If you really need more info on that, let me know and I'll provide more info and will find you some pics.
If you're going to go this route, mount section of mountain bicycle tire (or similar) under the sole of your boot (to prevent slippage and snow build up).
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: Bioguide September 11, 2016, 09:14:22 PM
I am going to watch the last video you linked later.
The simple straps are easy to make (and I know I'd go for this option, considering $240 alternative :) )
If you really need more info on that, let me know and I'll provide more info and will find you some pics.
If you're going to go this route, mount section of mountain bicycle tire (or similar) under the sole of your boot (to prevent slippage and snow build up).

I already own both of the bindings they are on other skis' so there is no additional cost for me now.

I am interested in any information you may have and pics of the simpler/strap bindings so post away.
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: AunNordDuNord September 11, 2016, 11:04:39 PM
I think the Hok is to narrow to be really a good substitute for snowshoes, I think you are on the right track with a wider ski. As for the video comparison, I think they should have compare skis of the same length, it is not only a 15 to 20 cm comparison, but a 190 vs a 150 something ski...

I can't wait to see them on the snow fo the real test!! I would go with the plateau I think!
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: Bioguide October 08, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
I waxed and applied the Black Diamond Glidelite Mix skins today. I'm going to use the Flexi Plateau bindings I already have and will get to that later this month or early in November.

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: AunNordDuNord October 08, 2016, 03:31:32 PM
Damn they look great!! Can't wait to hear what you think of them when you get to try them out!!
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: Bioguide October 08, 2016, 04:13:41 PM
Damn they look great!! Can't wait to hear what you think of them when you get to try them out!!

Thanks AunNordDuNord, I think so too... I'm excited. Hopefully we'll have some good dumping's of snow. I plan to do a video side-by-side review of Fisher S-bound 88's, Hok's 145's and these in the same snow conditions. In the meantime... next week starts whitetail season in the Adirondacks and I have 2 weeks schedule off for it.
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: kiggy November 22, 2016, 10:28:51 AM
Thanks for the link Bioguide. how did I miss this tread?
 very nice job.
I love how skins fit the ski.
My only concern that front tips are not curved high enough. With skis you don’t do steps like on snowshoes, you glide, and tips has to climb on top of snow with each push.
I also worry that they can slide sideways if you travel on uneven terrain like side of the hill. It can be easy fixed by adding runners or metal edge to the side of the skis.
As for binding,  go with those you have, you will get more control of the ski, the reason Russians use toe belt, because they don’t have access to high tec binding, or if they do it will triple the price of skis
If you decide to go with the toe belt, you may try to get hands on some used cash register conveyor belt.
One more thing: When you mount your binding make sure center of gravity is where your toes will be. So when you hold your skis by binding they will slightly point downward.
The reason is simple. If you put binding too far back, your front tips always will be pointing upwards, that means you will always go uphill, even on flat terrain (we are talking deep snow). It may sound funny, but if you going 10 miles, it will make big difference.
I also didn’t notice any camber, if your handyman decides to go to production, he may concern to add it, and it does makes big difference compared to flat skis.

Enjoy your ski and please post back reports, I very interested how do they perform

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: Bioguide November 22, 2016, 11:28:31 AM
My only concern that front tips are not curved high enough. With skis you don’t do steps like on snowshoes, you glide, and tips has to climb on top of snow with each push.
Thanks Kiggy, I do have a similar concern about the curved tip. Time and use will tell.

I also worry that they can slide sideways if you travel on uneven terrain like side of the hill. It can be easy fixed by adding runners or metal edge to the side of the skis.
I'll keep this in mind during the "evaluation" period.

As for binding,  go with those you have, you will get more control of the ski,
Thanks I'll use the bindings I have.

One more thing: When you mount your binding make sure center of gravity is where your toes will be.
Yes, the binding mounting instructions have you do this.

I also didn’t notice any camber, if your handyman decides to go to production, he may concern to add it, and it does makes big difference compared to flat skis.
He tried to include some camber but in order to do so he would have had to build a whole new mold and that would have added to the cost significantly.

Enjoy your ski and please post back reports, I very interested how do they perform.
I will. Thanks.
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: AunNordDuNord November 22, 2016, 12:11:14 PM
I wouldn't worry about metal edges, I have them on my Hok, and and because you most likely won't be using the ski with a real ski boot but with a softer pack boot or mukluk, you won't be able to edge the ski efficiently... And they do slide around on uneven hard pack snow.
As for camber, on a short super wide ski like that, I'm not confident it would make any difference.   
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: rabbit November 22, 2016, 01:26:35 PM
Bioguide, Nice looking ski and a great concept. I have to disagree with Kiggy on adding camber to this type of ski. On crosscountry touring or racing skis the camber is designed to flatten out when the weight of the skier is on the ski to allow a flat surface for better glide and speed.On this type of ski I think that you would have pretty heavy to flatten much camber. What I see in this design is the ability to float like a snowshoe without having to lift 5 pounds of snow with each step. Also a free ride on the downhills :). As I said great looking design and looking forward to your test reports.
P.S. I'm talking about the overall camber on a ski not the wax pocket which is a whole different can of worms.

                                                          Les
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: Bioguide November 22, 2016, 06:17:16 PM
Bioguide, Nice looking ski and a great concept. I have to disagree with Kiggy on adding camber to this type of ski. On crosscountry touring or racing skis the camber is designed to flatten out when the weight of the skier is on the ski to allow a flat surface for better glide and speed.On this type of ski I think that you would have pretty heavy to flatten much camber. What I see in this design is the ability to float like a snowshoe without having to lift 5 pounds of snow with each step. Also a free ride on the downhills :). As I said great looking design and looking forward to your test reports.
                                                          Les

Thanks for the insight Rabbit. I really do look forward to trying them out in a couple of feet of snow both on rolling terrain and the flats while hauling a sled. Cheers. Bioguide.
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: Bioguide December 08, 2016, 07:37:09 PM
I put the Flexi Plateau bindings on this evening. Now the wait for the freeze up and snow dump.

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: rabbit December 08, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
Looking really good !! I can hardly wait for the shake-down cruise and test reports. As I said before, love the concept.

                                                                  Les
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: AunNordDuNord December 08, 2016, 08:57:15 PM
I'll send you my address and you can send them to me for a test, we have snow and cold ;)
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: Bioguide December 08, 2016, 09:16:49 PM
What I see in this design is the ability to float like a snowshoe without having to lift 5 pounds of snow with each step. Also a free ride on the downhills :).

I recently came across this pair of snowshoes hanging on a wall. They are just about the exact same measurements as my skis' and I thought of your comment rabbit when I saw the snowshoes.

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: Bioguide December 08, 2016, 09:28:08 PM
I'll send you my address and you can send them to me for a test, we have snow and cold ;)

AunNord, if I haven't tried them by the end of January I might just have to send them up north...
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: AunNordDuNord December 08, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
I'll send you my address and you can send them to me for a test, we have snow and cold ;)

AunNord, if I haven't tried them by the end of January I might just have to send them up north...
I would do them justice!! I would be proud to have a chance to put them to work!!
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: MistyHollow December 09, 2016, 04:31:07 PM


I recently came across this pair of snowshoes hanging on a wall. They are just about the exact same measurements as my skis' and I thought of your comment rabbit when I saw the snowshoes.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jQH-HWWtSKUzZVRmmBCbEzHB5zfoOX6n4Xvt6VQxxsJsHXVVgnFAWTW8FHaSnIYbnzA14vsNe54kmiUbk7Uv_RZ_G6B5m-oyE-DuCQ-yrzSLZesK2kD4ti5NU4pQhauaEUzQSWm3dBBBzpoNTRZsG0X68hoDsejxUM2TQZSsQ63JCceYEKsWymlBsThEtccpoSMzdjLSeic04nNtJSWb_DM1ysvB8yQNsW8sFBQ7_cKlcuFrPoAtt7JZ_5ma92mRcdZHCkBPvPlNpitPK6yLx1osP41y_klR7zZ-WP-HSEuBN4jmZi8kNvq1dZ00AYpbvjj8n0wiwahReqEtJWLUOHTeHkAx4QD1fUPBX30Y_h0mvuep_V0vUUbUolfn7Qst6N3vLOotvlkOW6sC3afDvyhVCpcU0sFzuoat_57L4fAbc4uYwjLe7TciSB6V3r4PQ5yF_5w156I6OTaihMcHj10FooNS6gtcK9kp64-qiRjDU7SlZUMIhz7TbE00H7ryWpoNSexAEH8l6tUyxCDT1Vood0a7GtnRIEAAOeNz907HiKhJdr2hd5HJjZ30HjNWpL3BLtcKkrfhDPQ8lFykwo60dPPzTtjqi974kpoWLKa-DO3b2YC-=w576-h726-no)


I soooooooo want those snowshoes.

Dan
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: Bioguide December 17, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
We've finally been receiving some sustained cold temperatures and the snow has started to accumulate on the ground. While there is only 3-4 inches of snow I had to try out my skis' as I won't get the chance to haul a sled with them until mid to late January (I'll be sitting under some palm trees with bear feet on a sandy beach downing some margarita's, in the country of its origin, by this time next Tuesday).

The bindings seemed to be working well giving me some good control especially when needing to turn around. The foot print is huge and packs down an 18" wide path which is 3" wider than the width of my sled. I have no doubt the skis' will provided some significant flotation compared to the Hok's. I do plan to do a side by side comparison between them, the Hok's, and my snowsohes, on my Jan/Feb camping trip. In the meantime, as I consume margarita's next week I'll be dreaming of and hoping the snow keeps accumulating!

https://youtu.be/N5HiwLBIKKI

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N5HiwLBIKKI/default.jpg?sqp=CKD61cIF&rs=AOn4CLDVuIBGLb2oqaBqS6hjjhbgwrmdIA)

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: Slush Walker December 17, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Nice! did you have the skins on or just wax?

-SW
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: AunNordDuNord December 17, 2016, 03:16:15 PM
Woohoo.... But I'm sad at the same time, that means I won't get to try them out lol....

Is it just me or your left ski seems to dig in at the toe more than the other one?? They seem to be a bit toe heavy!?!?

Great looking skis!
 

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: Bioguide December 17, 2016, 03:33:45 PM
Woohoo.... But I'm sad at the same time, that means I won't get to try them out lol....

Is it just me or your left ski seems to dig in at the toe more than the other one?? They seem to be a bit toe heavy!?!?

Great looking skis!

Great observation AND. I noticed that as well. Despite taking great pains in mounting the bindings as instructed by the binding maker (i.e.determining the "balance point with the skins on and then mounting the bindings). I might have to move them a bit (1/4 - 1/2" or so) forward. Although; the skis went directly from a warm environment to the outdoors and a fair amount of snow stuck to and accumulated on the top of the skis' so I'm not sure if this added weight had anything to do with the left being "toe heavy" but before I head out to the bush I'm gonna check them again in the "backyard" or nearby park.
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: AunNordDuNord December 17, 2016, 03:38:52 PM
The snow look like it was some what heavy and even a bit of snow on the tip would make them toe heavy especially on a wide ski like that!!
So When are they going into productions!!
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: Bioguide December 17, 2016, 04:18:24 PM
Nice! did you have the skins on or just wax?

-SW

Skins were on.
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: southcove December 17, 2016, 05:08:28 PM
Woohoo.... But I'm sad at the same time, that means I won't get to try them out lol....

Is it just me or your left ski seems to dig in at the toe more than the other one?? They seem to be a bit toe heavy!?!?

Great looking skis!

... so I'm not sure if this added weight had anything to do with the left being "toe heavy" but before I head out to the bush...

This is a common enough affliction for those folks heading to warmer Mexican climes during the heart of the winter season...'too much ice in the Margartas' will throw off your balance just a bit...  ;)
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: HOOP December 18, 2016, 01:04:39 PM
Nicely done Bioguide!  I look forward to the test in deep soft snow in the bush!
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: Bioguide January 01, 2017, 08:18:41 PM
I got out on a day trip today for a preliminary "field" test of the skis. A video link is below.

A few notes:

The video only has a clip of me using them on a lake. I was lazy (more on this below) and didn't take the time to set up any shots while navigating and bushwhacking the rolling hills. I plan to do a more detailed review of the skis on my upcoming camping trip as I'll have more time to "kill" setting up the video shots.

I do wish the skis had more of a tip curl but I'll just have to deal with what I have.

I will be moving the bindings forward by 1/2 - 1" as I don't get a good forward lift up out of deeper snow. I do believe moving the bindings will help with this a lot.

The skins worked great on the uphill.

I need to secure the skins cable on the tip better. I accidentally kicked the cable off twice, but didn't loose the whole skin. I'll likely just router out a small semi-circle on each side of the ski tips where the cable touches the sides of the skis. This should help with that.

I need to get in better shape! We skied 2 miles today and I felt it. I don't know how, for those that do it, you travel distance everyday hauling a sled and setting up then breaking down camp. This 2 miles, in this snow condition, would have been just about my maximum limit and still have some energy to set up camp for the night... and that would be knowing that I have a good wood supply already cut and ready to burn!

Anyways, Cheers and Happy New Year Everyone.

Kelly (Bioguide)

https://youtu.be/tAU9AZsc1uw

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tAU9AZsc1uw/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=196&h=110&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=kmiSG90sg4mA8E25k8WHXyahzpo)
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: Moondog55 January 01, 2017, 08:33:13 PM
Conditioning
The first day of my yearly camp I am totally worn out just doing the first scouting trip and setting up my small tent, by the end of the first week after dragging in the sled train and skiing 16 klicks each day I start to get my strength and balance back
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: h_t January 02, 2017, 06:05:16 PM
I will be moving the bindings forward by 1/2 - 1" as I don't get a good forward lift up out of deeper snow. I do believe moving the bindings will help with this a lot.

Try a different technique first. Push your ski forward, don't lift it.
The tip should come out even when it's buried in the snow. I realize you made those in unique dimensions, so
I can't guarantee it'll work, but it's worth a try.
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: kiggy January 02, 2017, 09:13:55 PM


I will be moving the bindings forward by 1/2 - 1" as I don't get a good forward lift up out of deeper snow. I do believe moving the bindings will help with this a lot.

if you move binding forward you will get opposite of what you want, move it more back, so center of gravity will be little bit back.  tips will be pointing more up.
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: kiggy January 02, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
how ski holding directions, do they skid sideways?
 
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: Bioguide January 02, 2017, 10:01:15 PM
Try a different technique first. Push your ski forward, don't lift it.
The tip should come out even when it's buried in the snow. I realize you made those in unique dimensions, so
I can't guarantee it'll work, but it's worth a try.

I'll try this on my next trip h_t and hold off on moving the bindings.


if you move binding forward you will get opposite of what you want, move it more back, so center of gravity will be little bit back.  tips will be pointing more up.

Kiggy the bindings I have are similar to snowshoe bindings i.e. they pivot at the toe area. So when moving forward the heel of your boot comes up off the skis. In my mind if I move the bindings back there would be more weight in front of the pivot point (at the ski tips) and the skis would point/drop down. If I was to move them forward there would be more weight behind the pivot point (the back of the skis) making the tip rise. Or am I missing something? Anyway's I'm gonna give myself some more time with how they are now before I do anything.

how ski holding directions, do they skid sideways?

They didn't seem to skid sideways even on some hills while skiing along the contour. I'll be giving them a good workout on my upcoming camping trip and will pay greater attention to how they perform.

Thanks for your input.

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: kiggy January 02, 2017, 10:14:17 PM

if you move binding forward you will get opposite of what you want, move it more back, so center of gravity will be little bit back.  tips will be pointing more up.

Kiggy the bindings I have are similar to snowshoe bindings i.e. they pivot at the toe area. So when moving forward the heel of your boot comes up off the skis. In my mind if I move the bindings back there would be more weight in front of the pivot point (at the ski tips) and the skis would point/drop down. If I was to move them forward there would be more weight behind the pivot point (the back of the skis) making the tip rise. Or am I missing something? Anyway's I'm gonna give myself some more time with how they are now before I do anything.


you will be correct if you just hold your skis, with binding moved forward tips will rise. as soon as you stand on skis, you can forget about that rear end is longer and heavier, your weight will push front down.

 
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: Bioguide January 02, 2017, 10:49:57 PM
you will be correct if you just hold your skis, with binding moved forward tips will rise. as soon as you stand on skis, you can forget about that rear end is longer and heavier, your weight will push front down.

Ahh, I get it. Moving the binding back a bit will, when I put my weight on the ski, push the back down into the snow further and keep the tip up more. So then if I push/slide my ski forward, as h_t mentions, and not pick my foot/ski up the ski tips should slide and rise up out of the snow.

Ok, I have some ability to move my boots back in the bindings by just adjusting the straps. I'll give that a try.

Thanks again.
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: AunNordDuNord January 02, 2017, 11:14:17 PM


I will be moving the bindings forward by 1/2 - 1" as I don't get a good forward lift up out of deeper snow. I do believe moving the bindings will help with this a lot.

if you move binding forward you will get opposite of what you want, move it more back, so center of gravity will be little bit back.  tips will be pointing more up.

I think this apply on bc skis that you ski a lot down hill with... I know for a fact that xc skis that are mounted back your tip will dive that is why you mount the binding on classic skis a hair back to keep the tip in the track and skate skis a hair forward to keep the tip up wile sep turning. As for BC or AT skis, you are right you want to have more of your wait on the tail cause when going down the slopes in deep snow, the last thing you want is to be heavy on your tip and make them sink in the pow. You want them to rise on top of the snow, but remember, you are using gravity to make you move forward(down) and not the motion of striding....
 
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: Moondog55 January 04, 2017, 05:24:30 PM
It's a bit late but would those universal bindings screw down to a rail?
If so moving them a touch forward or backward takes not much time or effort, I play around most seasons but always wind up with the boot on the balance point
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: Bioguide January 04, 2017, 05:49:56 PM
It's a bit late but would those universal bindings screw down to a rail?
If so moving them a touch forward or backward takes not much time or effort, I play around most seasons but always wind up with the boot on the balance point

That is a good idea Moondog. I'll keep it in mind if I elect to move their location but what I think I'm going to do first is try adjusting the bindings boot straps first. I can get about an 3/4" boot movement either way by adjusting the straps.

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: Moondog55 January 04, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
20mm is plenty On downhill and Telemark skis it is usually measured in millimetres + / - 1/4 inch or so is usually all I use.
Does the boot you wear have a lot of built in rocker on the sole? If it does you may need either a ramp on the front or taller heel pads, boots with strong rocker are very tiring to ski in I have found, almost as bad as no rocker at all
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: Moondog55 January 04, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
Looking back I couldn't ski with that much unsupported rocker under my boots, my feet would give out in a few klicks
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: Bioguide January 31, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
I had a good day out with the skis' over the weekend and I'm pretty satisfied with there performance. Now if only I could "loosen up" using them... perhaps with more time "in the bush" I will.

https://youtu.be/Sk3mi216igk

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sk3mi216igk/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=196&h=110&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=IAaFYu3kbEFz7xKtepUJ4ZjzcZk)
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: wingnut February 01, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
Looks like they work really well. From your previous post whatever adjustment you've made the ski tips are staying up. Curious how they do in deep powder. I'll bet the floatation and stability will be impressive. The skins look to be doing a good job also.
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: snapper February 01, 2017, 02:16:38 PM
Kelly - Now that you've been out a couple of times, how do they compare with the "Hok" sno/skis you've used in the past?  Do you notice anything truly different or do the work essentially the same way?

That's all for now.  Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
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: Bioguide February 01, 2017, 04:47:32 PM
Kelly - Now that you've been out a couple of times, how do they compare with the "Hok" sno/skis you've used in the past?  Do you notice anything truly different or do the work essentially the same way?

That's all for now.  Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper

Hey Snapper, I had full intentions to do a comparison between the two skis'. I brought the Hoks' with me however I purposefully left them in the car. Being solo I had too much gear already to add hauling the Hok's as well. I will do a comparison using both side by side perhaps later this month. In the meantime I notice a big difference in my ability to stay up right wearing the Snoshoeskis'. With the Hok's I find myself loosing control and often ended up in the snow.
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: snapper February 02, 2017, 01:31:06 PM
Thanks for your reply.  I look forward to your comparison when you get the time.

Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
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: Bioguide February 05, 2017, 07:15:06 PM
Wanting to get out and "do something" this weekend I attempt to compare the float differences between a pair of traditional snowshoes (96 x 30 cm), Hok's (145 x 12 cm), and my custom pair of skis' (145 x 24 cm). Unfortunately, the snow conditions were not ideal as there was a thin layer of ice crust ~5"  below some fresh powder (overall snow depth was 24"). Each pair supported my weight and pack load well (I suspect the ice crust helped considerably). I did feel more comfortable and in control using the traditional snowshoes and the custom pair of skis' compared to the Hok skis. I am certain this is related to my personal ability/agility. Others may enjoy the Hok's but for me slower with more control are my preferences on snow in the bush.

Video: https://youtu.be/p4qE11f4G8w

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: h_t February 06, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
awesome photo, how did you do that?
It's evident (to me), that your new skis are too wide, they force very wide stance and they hit each other every step, sorry, told ya so ;) Try to make the next pair more narrow.
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: Bioguide February 06, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
awesome photo, how did you do that?
It's evident (to me), that your new skis are too wide, they force very wide stance and they hit each other every step, sorry, told ya so ;) Try to make the next pair more narrow.

Photo shop...

It's evident (to me) you've pigeon holed them being too wide h_t. They don't hit each other every step and are not wider than pairs of traditional Ojiibwe, Huron's, Modified Bear Paw's or Alaskan snowshoes. ;)
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: rabbit February 06, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
I like them ! They seem to float better than the snowshoes in the video. As far as stability goes on the Hoks, it comes with practice. We used to make the kids ski without poles to improve weight shift and balance. You might want to try 2 ski poles with large deep snow baskets. I think a single pole would be inherently unstable as you are only using half of your body to stay upright. Nice design that appears to work. Take care.

                                                                             Les
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: h_t February 06, 2017, 07:43:37 PM

The difference between snowshoes and skis (one of them anyways) is that skis are not supposed to touch each other, while snowshoes are lifted over the wide part to touch bare snow, so one literally steps over the wide part. Don't fight the wisdom of thousands of years ;)
Here's a pic I just happened to come across - Saami skis.
(http://piterhunt.ru/scripts/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=290167&d=1473273462)
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: Bioguide February 06, 2017, 08:04:01 PM

The difference between snowshoes and skis (one of them anyways) is that skis are not supposed to touch each other, while snowshoes are lifted over the wide part to touch bare snow, so one literally steps over the wide part. Don't fight the wisdom of thousands of years ;)
Here's a pic I just happened to come across - Saami skis.

I know the difference between them which is why I call them "Snoskishoe's". I'm not fighting the wisdom of thousands of years but I am a part of the next thousand. And let's not forget they are mass produced and used in other parts of the world, apparently successfully, in the same width dimensions as these.

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: Undersky February 06, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
I wonder if any member of the wintertrekking community has any long-term (as in 30 years) experience with these wide "snoskishoes". It seems (to me) that our community would really value the experience of someone who had used these wide boards over decades as much as many of us have used traditional North American snowshoes or x-c skis of more recent origin.

Surely the world-wide variety in the modes of over-snow-travel are due to many factors: snow type, depth, temperature, frequency, available materials, passed-on knowledge/tradition, etc. There has never been a time prior to right now that such effective broad communication between all parts of the world has been so easy, so in a way you/we are exploring new territory; skills and tools from all parts of the northern forests may be shared pretty easily. (We just need some online folks from all parts of the northern hemisphere for this discussion!   

As Bioguide intimates, the snoskishoes cannot have lasted, either in common use, or more recently in the market place, without being useful and effective to a large group of outdoors people. Some of the central characters in the Russian documentary Happy People use very similar means of traversing deep snow. Maybe their rates of speed are not the same as x-c skiing on groomed trails, or on consolidated snow, but they look at least as efficient or more efficient as my snowshoes!!

I appreciate your efforts to learn about these "tools for winter travel" that are new to us, Bioguide. The rest of us will/are benefiting from your adventure. Your posts with pics and videos allow me to critique them, and allow me to learn to trust your written critiques all the more, too. Thank you.
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: h_t February 07, 2017, 08:14:20 AM
BG, the pics don't load (for me)...

Some of the central characters in the Russian documentary Happy People use very similar means of traversing deep snow

They don't use skis as wide as BGs (almost though) while the snow conditions (as you pointed out) are different - more snow, more powder - more flotation needed. I am across the lake from BG, we rarely get deep powder snow, esp. in recent years. There's usually crust formed by freeze-thaw cycle (as shown in the video). Father north, away from the Great Lakes and closer to James Bay, it's more like in Western Siberia - you get off the snowmobile, you can find yourself waist deep in the snow.

I might post more pics of traditional skis later, if anyone's interested.
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: h_t February 07, 2017, 09:57:14 AM
Here, Happy People, certainly not 10" wide
https://youtu.be/o8-LOmIruRQ?t=30m13s

Here from one book, width of skis varies from
Altai 13 cm
Siberian flats 18-20 cm (seems about right for the Happy People skis above)
Kamchatka up to 35 cm (they get like 20' of snow there)
: Re: Adirondack snoskishoe
: Bioguide February 07, 2017, 10:44:46 AM
Thanks for the comments everyone.
: Re: Adirondack snoskishoe
: snapper February 07, 2017, 01:35:24 PM
Kelly - Thanks for taking the time to do this.  It's greatly appreciated.  I finally got out on my Hoks yesterday.  The snow wasn't ideal but with the expected rain (which we're currently having) I wanted to get out before the snow turned to ice.  Maybe it's because I'm a cross country skier but I really liked them.  For me they were very stable; I'm going to attribute that to their width.  I was able to get some nice downhill runs on the hill behind my barn and even had usable glide on the flats as well.  Overall, I'm really happy with them but still a bit intrigued with your set-up.  Nonetheless, I'm glad to have them and will probably use them even more as I get older and my balance begins to deteriorate.

That's all for now.  Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
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: into the wind February 07, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
It's obvious Kelly, they are way too wide. Please mail them to me and I will dispose of them for you. No need to thank me, it's just the kind of guy I am.  ;)
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: AunNordDuNord February 07, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Kelly - Thanks for taking the time to do this.  It's greatly appreciated.  I finally got out on my Hoks yesterday.  The snow wasn't ideal but with the expected rain (which we're currently having) I wanted to get out before the snow turned to ice.  Maybe it's because I'm a cross country skier but I really liked them.  For me they were very stable; I'm going to attribute that to their width.  I was able to get some nice downhill runs on the hill behind my barn and even had usable glide on the flats as well.  Overall, I'm really happy with them but still a bit intrigued with your set-up.  Nonetheless, I'm glad to have them and will probably use them even more as I get older and my balance begins to deteriorate.

That's all for now.  Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper

Snapper, what binding/boot  combination were you using?
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: snapper February 08, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
AunNordDuNord - The Hoks came with their universal binding that has the ratchet set-up and I was wearing my Steger mukluks.  Everything worked great.  I did have to get used to the feeling of the binding as it seemed a bit rigid at first but that seemed to go away quickly.

Hope that helps.  Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
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: AunNordDuNord February 08, 2017, 12:25:00 PM
AunNordDuNord - The Hoks came with their universal binding that has the ratchet set-up and I was wearing my Steger mukluks.  Everything worked great.  I did have to get used to the feeling of the binding as it seemed a bit rigid at first but that seemed to go away quickly.

Hope that helps.  Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper

I have the same set up, and I find it a bit "soft' on side hill, especially on hard snow(snowmobile trail) But I'm also able to do a few tele turns in soft snow and moderate terrain!!

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: Coldfeet February 08, 2017, 07:33:31 PM
Very cool bioguide!   I might need those on Friday to get back into the city once this storm is finished.  Great write up, it would be cool if some local stores like EMS or REI had some of these to rent out and try. 
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: Bioguide February 20, 2017, 12:22:42 AM
There is a fair amount of video with me using my skis' in this video. They performed very well.

After 3 weeks I head back to retrieve my tent. While away a winter snow storm hit the area dumping 12+ inches of powder followed by wind gusts of up to 50 mph. I document the Snowtrekker’s sacked in condition and my digging of it out. I also video my Adirondack Snoskishoe’s performance in moderate powder snow conditions while hauling the sled on the lake, bushwhacking across the forested rolling terrain, and some "downhill" skiing. In addition, I use an auger to collect water, enjoy camp meals, and listen to a new audible book during the evenings while warming by the fire.

https://youtu.be/A7d6ycfEgx4

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A7d6ycfEgx4/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=196&h=110&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=PijIQf-u6muUngl2UvxOcw93q1c)
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: into the wind February 20, 2017, 11:11:00 AM
Nice vid Kelly! I really like how those skishoes are working out for you. They look like they are doing what one would want from them. Do you mind telling us your weight? Just wondering for flotation purposes. You seemed to be held up real well over 30 inches of snow.
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: Bioguide February 20, 2017, 11:22:58 AM
Nice vid Kelly! I really like how those skishoes are working out for you. They look like they are doing what one would want from them. Do you mind telling us your weight? Just wondering for flotation purposes. You seemed to be held up real well over 30 inches of snow.

Thanks. I'm 235 lbs and add at least another 20 lbs for clothes and the back pack.
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: h_t February 20, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
Looks like fun. I am glad the skis working well for you despite my criticism  8)
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: Bioguide February 20, 2017, 07:26:39 PM
Looks like fun. I am glad the skis working well for you despite my criticism  8)

No problem h_t criticism is good... constructive criticism is better. Cheers, Kelly
: Re: Adirondack snoskishoe
: Bioguide February 20, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
OK, is there anyone interested in buying a pair of these custom made skis?

I've had discussions with the builder and he would be interested in building 5 -7 pairs for next year with some modifications/improvements namely:

an increase in the tip rise
perhaps a narrower footprint
lighter core material, fiberglass, and veneer to cut back on the skis weight

Cost ~$575/pair

If you are seriously interested in ordering a pair PM me...

You won't regret the skis.