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: Wood Stove with Windows
: GearFreak November 04, 2018, 07:52:40 PM
Saw this on Lar's Survival Russia channel.  I like this!  I wish I could get a window door for my Kni-co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31jp5PSje2I

If the currency exchange website worked right it was about 168 Cad to 8500 Rub, 250 for the medium.

shipping would probably be a killer

its pretty cool, nay, its Awesome!
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: AunNordDuNord November 04, 2018, 10:10:43 PM
Look well made, Price is good(before shipping lol) a bit heavy, but that is the price to pay to have a view!! I really like the simplicity of the door system!!

Damn Russians!!
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: kiggy November 05, 2018, 03:52:57 PM
They claim this type of stove can heat for 8 -10 hours in slow burning mode without adding the wood.   medium size  5 kg only and one load of wood will hold 5-8 hours in slow burning mode
Damn Russians indeed.

I am looking for them for couple of years now. just waiting for shipping occasion lol
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bothwell Voyageur November 05, 2018, 03:56:30 PM
Just video the stove with the door open then sit watching your phone while you are sitting by the stove...
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bioguide November 05, 2018, 04:42:24 PM
Neat stove...it's got me to thinking about a window for mine and I wonder if you bought a piece of stove glass custom sized and rigged it in front of a FourDog Ti stove door opening some how? Just for ambiance while gazing out the clear vinyl front door on a cold windy evening... then take it off and close the regular door when not in use. I'm gonna try this.

I can obtain custom stove glass from here: https://www.woodstove-fireplaceglass.com/ The opening to my Ti stove is 6.5" x 6.5" so I'd get a 6.5" x 4" piece, which only cost $35 or so. The bottom 2.5" would have to be sheet metal for air intake openings (adjustable of course) and I'd fashion the sheet metal so the glass would slide in top down and I'd have to rig it to the stove door opening somehow. It'll be crude for sure but Gerry rigging is what I'm good at.

: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: kiggy November 05, 2018, 05:05:48 PM
Neat stove...it's got me to thinking about a window for mine and I wonder if you bought a piece of stove glass custom sized and rigged it in front of a FourDog Ti stove door opening some how? Just for ambiance while gazing out the clear vinyl front door on a cold windy evening... then take it off and close the regular door when not in use. I'm gonna try this.

I can obtain custom stove glass from here: https://www.woodstove-fireplaceglass.com/ The opening to my Ti stove is 6.5" x 6.5" so I'd get a 6.5" x 4" piece, which only cost $35 or so. The bottom 2.5" would have to be sheet metal for air intake openings (adjustable of course) and I'd fashion the sheet metal so the glass would slide in top down and I'd have to rig it to the stove door opening somehow. It'll be crude for sure but Gerry rigging is what I'm good at.
what about air intake? never mind, I need to wake up :)



: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Canoe November 05, 2018, 06:08:09 PM
ATUK sells stoves with a glass door now. Has anyone tried them?
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Coldfeet November 05, 2018, 06:19:04 PM
pretty cool, thought the guy was very amusing.   Nice to see others around the world enjoying the great outdoors. 
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: awbrown: N. Illinois, USA November 05, 2018, 07:44:33 PM
Brian Muraska (the Muskrat) likes to add windows to his experimental stoves. His are simply Pyrex custard cups pushed into a round hole. The biggest problem is that they smoke up quickly.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: mewolf1 November 05, 2018, 09:12:45 PM
Without air wash over the glass it'll be sooty in jig time.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Jawax November 05, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
I would absolutely LOVE to have a small window in my stove.  The Atuk ones look cool, but weigh far to much.  It would be great if Kni-co would come up with an option for just a little 2x4 inch window or so.  Until then, I'm going to give some consideration to learning how to weld. 

Here's a good YouTube of a guy who did a really great job building an entire stove, which included a small glass window with air wash.  It's a several part video, and the window bit is on the second one.  https://youtu.be/kiVjRoeQjp8
 (https://youtu.be/kiVjRoeQjp8)
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: memaquay November 06, 2018, 10:40:31 AM
Read some of the comments on the video on youtube.  Quite a discussion about which way the pipes should go.  Internet warriors said male crimped end should go up or everyone in the world will die of CO poisoning.  People who actually have burned wood in a tent knew that to prevent leakage of the noxious cresote type stuff that comes from burning softwood, the male crimped side has to go down.

I have burned a lot of wood in my little kni co and two hole hippy burner with the crimped end facing down, and I am still alive.  In fact i have never worried once about CO poisoning in a tent.  Am I foolish?  Are the internet warriors correct?
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bioguide November 06, 2018, 11:00:11 AM
I have burned a lot of wood in my little kni co and two hole hippy burner with the crimped end facing down, and I am still alive.  In fact i have never worried once about CO poisoning in a tent.  Am I foolish?  Are the internet warriors correct?

Yes, foolish... haven't you been watching the news? There has been yet another symposium group of 50+ winter campers that succumbed to carbon monoxide poisoning.

Have you changed your CO detector batteries yet?  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

P.S. I hear all their Snowtrekker tents and FourDog Ti stoves are listed on E-Bay at 1/2 price.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: rabbit November 06, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
I have heated my house with a woodstove for 30+ years with the pipes installed crimped end down to avoid  creosote running down the outside of the pipe. Apparently I am lucky to be alive. LOL

                                                Les
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: GearFreak November 06, 2018, 10:12:20 PM
Found Another Stove - nomad.  looks heavy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyNCZUK5GpI

the ad during this video was for seek outside. tarp & stove under 9 lbs.

https://springbarcanvas.com/products/winnerwell-nomad-medium-tent-stove

20lbs $349US
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: AunNordDuNord November 07, 2018, 01:36:27 AM
I'll play, my dream stove would be 18" long, about 8 inches wide and around 14 inches tall( fire box that is) and would be made of Titanium, could have a small window but it add weight and maintenance so I'm not sold on the idea... could have a baffle but would need to be totally and easily removable. The door would need to be as large a possible for ease of loading wood and as air tight as possible! The chimney flange would be on the outside so again you don't fight when loading that last piece of wood in!! Double bottom, snow legs....

 
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: rbinhood November 07, 2018, 07:18:24 AM
ANDN---When you build that stove, make 2, as I'm putting my order in for one.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: AunNordDuNord November 07, 2018, 11:10:24 AM
ANDN---When you build that stove, make 2, as I'm putting my order in for one.
Hahaha, don't hold your breath my friend. I do have a few ideas for stoves, but I really doubt I have the knowledge or ability to make such a stove. But I didi share my ideas with stove builders like Kni-co, four dog and the " muskrat" brothers.... None of them were interested in making them... That said the Brothers had one with the similar dimensions, I think they called it the cabover or something like that.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: southcove January 07, 2019, 04:19:33 PM
...add this little Ti stove to the short list of those wood burners that have a small glass window!  This is a little Korean made Ti stove that breaks down. 

I have been looking for a breakdown or folding stove for my next planned Alaska/Yukon fall trip, this year or the year after.  What appeals to me is that it's small enough to go in a canoe or small paddle raft, which is one of our needs.   This one might actually fit into our double kayak!
Downsides are costs, though it's not unreasonable for Ti.  I like the little glass window, but it's a tiny stove indeed and with the numerous bits and pieces, surely a bag of fastener spares would be needed on any trip, short or long.   
For any of our shelter applications, I would have to rig up an angled piece of flue, somehow...I think heat output for our pre-wintertime needs would be fine.  And a homemade leg float would be easy enough to craft in camp.

Have heard some encouraging things about the selling dealer, but have no experience yet with a fold down stove or fold down Ti or this brand.   

I am curious to see what other stove people think about this unit?  And/or my need and fix for an angled pipe for my shelters or breakdown issues with other stoves, sheetmetal, stainless or Ti...?



https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/tent-wood-stoves-and-accessories/products/folding-wood-stove-titanium  (https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/tent-wood-stoves-and-accessories/products/folding-wood-stove-titanium)

: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: trapmusher January 07, 2019, 05:54:36 PM
Nice stove, Southcove.

Windows are pretty and all that but, unless you burn hot, they get black in a hurry.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: rbinhood January 07, 2019, 08:37:21 PM
Looking at the dimensions, it seems pretty small.

I picked up a used one of the Norwegian stainless stoves cheap and haven't really had a chance to test it, but the firebox is small, and I am wondering how much heat it will really put out. Wood was so short it was hard to light. Part of the problem is it has a built in oven, and the oven takes up a good bit of the firebox. I am not expecting much heat without constant stoking.

Look at the stoves that Seek Outside has. For the same money, I think you can get a bigger stove.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: JoDawg January 07, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
How about this one, https://springbarcanvas.com/products/winnerwell-nomad-medium-tent-stove
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bioguide February 17, 2019, 07:38:36 PM
I ordered the glass a while back and Jerry-rigged a door using a ball pein hammer and other material I had around the house. I built it for "ambiance" and it has greatly improved the joy of cooking meals and lounging in the evening. It's held onto the stove by two wires that cross in front. I take it down at night and use the OEM door. The glass never sooted up and I suspect the reason why it didn't soot up is because I'm burning dry maple in it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Byc_o1l9OcT9A0RsnHkShxL9U5Q_RDuKA-T_3gNyjq3DveFZt_nqAORoOEdMLVkJO_IsN03XBvGFQR9h-YApSM3qIXNDLTDjyMRpdTteREVrJQQK7xTvMUOr50FWHzae7KdgGduT_vRDBOvfqObkIj5_A1G_jLLKCrO5fpH6ZSv3imuvVaOt_CQ2TPDS3C2rKsZiEVEXQcqoe4r6UajHgYGzbqp80L6MT7fuELvLA_RhadbLTowXugVlcbowJNY1h_qpCNRGjdGtakaY4-hC9gAeXZ7qe5z4q4cSMwfzeaXohgm4o0ltgwEq8KgRWMWcfF1cNulefKiOBA2rM03edZd4hkSsAqOmTavTyZFgtLGKy8ofEewkgelOSZUxatvKlj4w5TOHiM46q_Ru1Cb7Gn4Vk9BTpDZiHW-9N6ZsLwdwhPqMMCLVIw0I21IdSYeEWJp6O4i9kQlleTn5vVhWoAOd7XxsdeE2Qu5ZvZYSFkfLad3sEvReAk1Ga47dKaOQrlsvX6gxBC9CjI8rtOU5-WnXXFwgESIqX8wCYHptIrVWh9VC79N-sWYpMlCu_XCj6V9OQm4sjGCCU0wsgBug92S4MFx4M0IwZCl6yV0sRrqHknOgVdBfLYNCl9l_Ra1_MUBCP2WuB34dT_5xq7NkNPemU1TrxZ2p=w1240-h698-no)
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: GearFreak February 17, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
that is awesome BioGuide.  hope you did a DIY video on it.  good job!
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bkrgi February 18, 2019, 12:20:54 PM
As night falls in the "TV" is already fired up for the night.

BioGuide your living it in luxury....certainly not "camping" hahaha Bravo
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Undersky February 18, 2019, 03:50:34 PM
Bioguide! Great idea re the stove window.

Looks like you retrofitted, or "addition-fitted" to the opening that exists when you open your current wood stove door all the way. Is this correct?

So simple, so effective, so easy, no risk to messing up a good, functioning stove; I really respect this approach.

I resolve to do the same.

What do people think of using isinglass, or mica-glass sheet rather than tempered glass? The mica sheet would be much lighter weight, less breakable (maybe), and might be cheaper. A 6 x 6 x 0.005 inch sheet of clear mica runs $18.00 USD.

Considering trying an adjustable draft at the top of the glass as it might allow cold intake air to flow down over the inside of the "glass", thereby keeping the window cleaner. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Argh! I am already looking forward to enjoying a little of that ambiance you have created. Imagine having all of that beautiful colour and mystifying flame waiting for us just on the other side of a thin sheet of opaque metal.  No sense not taking advantage of it!

Bio, if you have any particular advice re the "window door DIY build", I am all ears. Please share if you will.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bioguide February 18, 2019, 06:55:14 PM
Thanks everyone....

So then, OK: using some heavy gauge sheet metal I fashioned it into the same shape/size as the door on the stove. The glass I ordered is 4 x 5.5"s. I cut an opening in the sheet metal by ~1/4" less the size of the glass. I bought some 3/16" tape gasket that I put around the inside edge of the door opening for the glass. Four holes were drilled and steel bolts, washers, and nuts were positioned to hold the glass in place. I used pieces of the tape gasket to cushion the washers on the glass (See pic below). I drilled three 1" holes in the door for the draft. From the remaining sheet metal I fashioned a strip with 3 additional 1" holes to correspond to the draft holes and bent one end for the handle (pic below). I used sheet metal screws to hold the strip in place but with enough room you can slide the strip to open and close the draft holes. Then I used some heavy gauge wire to hold the door in position. The photo below only has one wire but I actually ended up using two wires. The wire slips over and inbetween the OEM door and hinges then crosses over the glass door and wraps around the OEM latch and Voilà. Here is a quick video clip of it in action: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fRgWJZs2yqMTeg669

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: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: GearFreak February 20, 2019, 08:57:28 PM
I have to do this.  Undersky - Group buy on materials?   BV - you in?
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Undersky February 20, 2019, 11:39:38 PM
I am in, GF!

But, oops, yesterday online I bought a sheet of mica (or isinglass) to try instead of the tempered glass. I am thinking it is lighter and easier to work with. http://antiquestoves.com/st/proddetail.php?prod=6x6cl .

I have some light-weight stainless shim stock that may work to build the "frame" to support the mica window and for the draft. I've enough to share for sure, GF.

The first mod I would like to try will be a repeat of Bioguide's brilliance. Might put the draft at the top of the glass so the soot is minimized by a down-flow of cool, clean combustion air, especially considering that mica might be harder to clean than tempered glass.

Tempered wire, something with a little spring to it, will be all that is needed to hold the window&frame in place if the combo is lightweight. Like BG, I'll try attaching this wire around the existing door hinge (with the door wide open), and the door latch.

Arrgh! So many good projects, so little time!

But this one is going to jump to the front of the project cue as the resulting firelight will be beautiful.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bothwell Voyageur February 21, 2019, 07:35:55 AM
I likely missed it, but how do you get the wood in?

Isinglass? Isn’t that a substance made from the swim bladders of fish (originally sturgeon) and used to clarify beer?

I’ll be interested to see the result. When I have worked out which casino I am going rob to afford a 4dog titanium stove I will consider it as an addition.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Old Guide February 21, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
Isinglass is both as  you imply/ask...sturgeon bladder... and sheets of mica were formerly called Isinglass
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bioguide February 21, 2019, 10:00:42 AM
I likely missed it, but how do you get the wood in?

Remove the wire and the door comes off... just be sure your wearing a good pair of thick leather gloves when you do that. I put the door on my welders blanket that I use underneath the stove and then load the stove with wood.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: GearFreak February 21, 2019, 02:46:46 PM
I have been thinking of sheet steel stock and may weld the edges and a hook like bit to slip over the hinge side allowing it to open as well. 

no matter what we come up with - BG wins the prize for the concept!

I will split the cost on a piece of glass (whatever it is) Undersky. (never mind - reread your post and I see you ordered it already!) 
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Undersky February 22, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
GF - do you weld? I'll happily shift from shim stock to 26 gauge if you will take a stab at welding corners and brackets, etc.

Next best thing is that I'll find out how the mica works in this application, and you can be the wiser when it comes to your build and purchase mica or tempered glass.

Avoiding sooting-up is a primary goal (he says, convincing himself of the need to figure out how to have cold intake air washing down over the inside of the glass).

It would be nice to have the entire door opening glazed, have the air intake above that, and have the entire covering hinge easily to make getting new wood in that much smoother / quicker.

BV, I have a couple of money pits that need filling too, so count me in on your heist of ill-gotten wealth!   ;)
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: GearFreak February 23, 2019, 12:45:05 PM
GF - do you weld?

Poorly, and it has been many years.  I did inherit a low power stick welder and have been itching for an excuse to justify it collecting dust.  This sounds like a reasonable project to start with!  small enough and useful!

I usually ask the guys in the shop if they can do something for me - they have the right equip and don't mind.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Undersky February 23, 2019, 07:10:32 PM
As you say GF - great project to start back into hobby welding with. Tidy folding will accomplish some of the shaping, I think, but the "beveled" corners might work best with a weld. Welding is so much more elegant than pop riveting - despite what Rosie says!

I will let you guys know when the mica comes in, and how suitable it looks for this job.

Hmmmm....I wonder if heat transfer is greater or less through a mica window (or any window) than through the metal stove wall?
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bothwell Voyageur February 24, 2019, 01:03:59 PM
Just looked at my knico stove. Given that the opening is flat, no external lip, I wonder if it would be worth simply trying to hold a sheet of mica in place with four magnets. Perhaps even try to leave a 1 or 2mm gap all around as an air intake as an initial experiment and look at ways to vary this gap to increase the amount of air entering the stove.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Bothwell Voyageur February 24, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Ok just checked. The normal neodymium magnets are only good to 150 deg.C you would need to try samarium cobalt instead as this is good to 300.
: Re: Wood Stove with Windows
: Undersky February 24, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
BV, I love how you dig until you have the answer to every question! Thank you!

I am anticipating that a quick, temporary attachment of the new stove front (with window) over the door space will not be too problematic - might even be able to hinge it. The existing protruding edges of the stove box might be incorporated to hold a vertical hinge rod (a good friend gave me a batch of small diameter Ti rod :), and the existing door latch hook might be used for the new window door, too.

Just thinking that if your stove front is flat (once the door is open all the way) could you use a simple shape like a shallow rectangular cookie tin, or the lid from same? The new front "wall" of your stove, containing the window, would stand off the original stove front a little, but likely that's ok. Perhaps your draft could be similar to Bioguide's but installed in the top surface of the window box so that cool intake air would stream down the inside surface of the glass.

I should really learn how to post drawings!

And I should get back to writing reports!