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Title: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 10, 2019, 08:30:51 AM
This is the first one out of the mold.
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Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 10, 2019, 08:36:00 AM
Not sure how to re-size these. Sorry folks. :-[
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: Jawax on January 10, 2019, 10:01:01 AM
Very nice looking.  First out of the mold?  Is that a Northstar Ptarmigan, or did you do it yourself?  How long is it?
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: Forse07 on January 10, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
That looks really nice. I like the high sides although it does look a tad short to hold the gear I typically bring. Would be very curious to see a pic of it fully loaded.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: kiggy on January 10, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
very nice, is bottom flat or you have some runners on it?
do you open production line? it even doesn't looks handmade
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 10, 2019, 05:02:17 PM
Very nice looking.  First out of the mold?  Is that a Northstar Ptarmigan, or did you do it yourself?  How long is it?
I'm not sure what the Northstar ptarmigan is. This is my design and contstruction and is 5' long.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 10, 2019, 05:04:00 PM
That looks really nice. I like the high sides although it does look a tad short to hold the gear I typically bring. Would be very curious to see a pic of it fully loaded.
  It's designed to train two together. The 6" sides are a blessing in slush.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 10, 2019, 05:10:06 PM
very nice, is bottom flat or you have some runners on it?
do you open production line? it even doesn't looks handmade
Yes, the bottom is flat and there are skegs  aft. Tracks like it's on rails.  Thanks all for the kudos. I'm making these as they are ordered, IF I get orders. ;D
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: into the wind on January 10, 2019, 06:49:00 PM
I like it! Great name! I hope you get some orders.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: Kaifus on January 10, 2019, 07:59:40 PM
Nice work!!
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: rbinhood on January 12, 2019, 10:32:24 AM
Nice work! If you want orders, we need to know certain things, such as price, how to place the order, weight, shipping costs, etc. I am interested, but the factors that I have identified will dictate whether I place an order.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: AunNordDuNord on January 12, 2019, 01:07:13 PM
Nice work! If you want orders, we need to know certain things, such as price, how to place the order, weight, shipping costs, etc. I am interested, but the factors that I have identified will dictate whether I place an order.

Indeed really important info!
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: Moondog55 on January 12, 2019, 04:31:25 PM
Laid up is a lot of work but I know from helping mkae canoes and kayaks that making the mould is one of the hardest parts too.
Fibreglass and polyester or epoxy resin?
I have seen some very interesting cloth here lately in composite fibres for use with epoxy, FG with 10% Carbon fibres and 50/50 Kevlar / CF
And will 2 of them couple together as a raft?
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 12, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
 It's 5' long, 18" wide at the top, 14" at the "Chines", and 6" deep and weigh 12 lbs. without the cover. I install 2 SS eye bolt at the front and 1 centered at the back. The front is bridled for a single rope pull or a X pole system can be attached to the instead. The single eye bolt is for hooking another pulk to or a line for going down steep hills. Two 8" skegs 12" apart are installed aft for tracking. The covers are made by Dan Cooke of Cooke Custom Sewing and feature large pulls so one can leave their mitts on and close to the ends rather than to the center. This allows access to gear stowed at one end or another without opening the entire top as there are three compression straps to compact load. Loops around the perimeter allows a length of line to be threaded and thus facilitate lashing extras like skis or snowshoes/ shovel on the outside. This line is also very handy for loading and unloading from the vehicle. I've tried to make it versatile because of so many different preferences in loading, hauling, and price.

Raw shell (any color as long as it's white) 150.00
Shell with skegs and eye bolts and webbing and line around the top. 180.00
Shell with skegs and eye bolts and CCS cover (black or red/ 40 dollar up charge on other colors) installed. 355.00
I do not have a X pole system available at this time. 

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Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: rbinhood on January 12, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
Has the gel coat been tested to see how well it holds up when dragged over sharp, hard ice crystals? What about adding HDPE strips to improve abrasion resistance?
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 12, 2019, 08:45:58 PM
The original was 25 years old when I turned it into the plug. No glass showing.
You can add what ever you want; I don't see the need for plastics attached.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: AunNordDuNord on January 13, 2019, 12:58:26 AM
Has the gel coat been tested to see how well it holds up when dragged over sharp, hard ice crystals? What about adding HDPE strips to improve abrasion resistance?

I think the same on both points!!
The price seem to be really fare!
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: rbinhood on January 13, 2019, 12:43:43 PM
Is this made in the US, or Canada? If the US, where is it being made? I ask these questions in an effort to get an idea of potential shipping costs. While it is lightweight, the length is what concerns me. I can see the standard shippers possibly charging a premium because of its size.

I am glad to hear the original has held up well. I have one of the surplus WWII fiberglass scow sleds and it is wearing well, but fully decked out it weighs about 35 lbs, which is on the heavy side. Not a problem on the flat, but it adds a lot of weight if you have to go up hill at all.

Two Ptarmigans come in at 24 lbs, and give 10' of storage vs. 7' of storage for the scow sled at 35 lbs. I guess it is a question of cost vs. additional weight savings. Also, my scow sled is already paid for:)
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: Moondog55 on January 13, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
12 lbs/ 5.5 kilos is heavy but comparable to other FG sleds out there
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 13, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
Is this made in the US, or Canada? If the US, where is it being made? I ask these questions in an effort to get an idea of potential shipping costs. While it is lightweight, the length is what concerns me. I can see the standard shippers possibly charging a premium because of its size.

I am glad to hear the original has held up well. I have one of the surplus WWII fiberglass scow sleds and it is wearing well, but fully decked out it weighs about 35 lbs, which is on the heavy side. Not a problem on the flat, but it adds a lot of weight if you have to go up hill at all.

Two Ptarmigans come in at 24 lbs, and give 10' of storage vs. 7' of storage for the scow sled at 35 lbs. I guess it is a question of cost vs. additional weight savings. Also, my scow sled is already paid for:)
These are built in Stillwater, Mn. If I remember correctly you live in Michigan.( I bought a stove from you last year) can't remember the the town, but did a calculation based on Lansing and said 40lbs billable. came to 63.52. The mold isn't going anywhere. They'll be available next year too, if you change your mind.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: rbinhood on January 13, 2019, 07:40:19 PM
I'm in Wisconsin. I get to MN from time to time and might be able to pick one up directly and save shipping.
Title: Re: The Ptarmigan with a CCS cover
Post by: mewolf1 on January 13, 2019, 08:02:05 PM
Works for me. Give me some lead time so I can make you a fresh one.  ;)