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Classifieds / Re: Snowtrekker EXP Shortwall 10 x 13
« on: August 22, 2018, 01:17:08 am »
Item is sold.

Classifieds / Re: Snowtrekker EXP Shortwall 10 x 13
« on: July 22, 2018, 03:09:41 am »
Here are photos taken from a setup / takedown I did earlier today:

Classifieds / Re: Snowtrekker EXP Shortwall 10 x 13
« on: July 07, 2018, 05:01:35 pm »
I just posted this on the Traditional Winter Camping FB page. Maybe someone there will grab this...

Thank you very much! 

Classifieds / Re: Snowtrekker EXP Shortwall 10 x 13
« on: July 07, 2018, 04:15:55 pm »
Price Drop (noted in the update on my original post).
875 USD including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states (some additional shipping to Alaska)


1125 CDN including shipping to any Canadian province (some additional shipping to territories)

Classifieds / Re: Snowtrekker EXP Shortwall 10 x 13
« on: March 25, 2018, 04:13:47 am »
Hi Alan, No rips or burns. PM sent.

Snowshoeing Discussion / Re: Looking for advice re large snowshoes
« on: March 13, 2018, 08:11:29 pm »
According to the altai site you can get some wider ski crampons to work with the hoks:

I'd sure like to try some, I was having some climbing troubles last time I took mine out.

I think the magnesium snowshoes are great value and a good place to start just to see how you like the form factor of larger shoes, and might give you an idea of how much would be gained from going with a larger more expensive pair later. I did a little playing around and found the maglines to have almost identical floatation to my 145 hoks in the snow of that particular day:

I'd really like to get some 60" ojibwas next, but I wish there was an easier way to calculate surface area across different shapes.

I was in Princess Auto (in Coquitlam) the other day and noticed that they have the surplus magnesium snowshoes on sale for $ 50.

That is quite impressive that the 145cm Hoks are able to match the floatation of the surplus snowshoes.  I recently got the 125cm Hoks and am just familiarizing myself with them (have only been out with with them 2x so far).  I'm wondering if I'd have been better off going with the 145s

Back Country Skiing Discussion / Re: Trekking Skis'
« on: March 10, 2018, 11:18:54 pm »

I can't emphasize this enough: if you want to ski in the bush, get a pair of climbing skins. They change everything. Not just because of more grip: they also decrease glide substantially. In the bush, glide is usually a problem, not an advantage, because we mustn't hit trees on the downhill runs.

The trick, for me, is having the right balance of grip and some glide, which is achieved by changing the size of the ski skin. I use very narrow skins on my skis, about 1.5 cm wide, which I have cut down from wider ones. Works for me.


I would image the other reason for limiting the width of full lengths skins (if if skins are worn while going downhill) is that the closer the skins would come to the ski edges, the harder it would be  use the edges to control the skis

All of the above replies are why I swapped to plastic boots 3 decades ago.
They do not have the longevity of a good leather boot but leather boots get so soft and floppy so quickly that you lose edge control, a plastic boot doesn't behave in the same way and having a removable inner boot is simply a better way to mange warmth in my experience.
The high cost of a good plastic boot and mouldable inner is certainly a factor but money isn't everything. I would no longer use a plastic boot that only had a stitched and open cell PU liner tho, it is the adoption of insulating mouldable inners that has been the game changer for me

Something to consider, but for me, even the Alpina Alaskas would be a major investment. The modern plastic boots run at least double to 4x that (eg.the Arcteyx models). If they have a shorter life expectancy than leather boots which are 1/4 of the price, that is a deal breaker


The Crispi Mountain boots are how boots should be made. I think they’re pretty much bulletproof the way they are constructed and they’ve made from good leather. I don’t wear mine, they hurt my feet. Even after hundreds of miles and fifty dollar insoles they hurt my feet. It’s something to do with lack of arch support and the bottom of my heel taking all the weight from a days skiing.  They also have a plastic piece at the back of the heel that has a sharp edge that wore through the insulation and fabric of the boot’s lining then through my woolen socks. I’m not sure if that was a manufacturing mistake? I can’t believe they’d make something like that and not taper out that edge. I took them to a shoemaker who added new insulation and redid the lining but that edge is still in there. They fit my feet pretty well, it had nothing to do with improper fit.

Pros and cons I guess.

Thanks Kaifus, this is extremely helpful. It is interesting that the Crispi boots have not become more comfortable for you with use, and have had their own issues of breakdown with wear. Given that there is nowhere locally for me to try the Crispi boots on, I will likely end up with the Alpina Alaskas since I can try them on at MEC (assuming they provide a comfortable fit.

Fire and Woodstoves / Re: Stove-Build, Pictures and Video
« on: March 03, 2018, 03:09:46 pm »
Very nice, tidy workmanship!

Thanks Hoop! Yes, I used to live in Manitoba (back when I posted here as "FlatbowMB"). In  Manitoba, I might have been able to get away with using the universal bindings with the Hoks for anything west of the Whiteshell area. Things are so much different here in BC when it comes to human powered locomotion. The extended flat stretches across frozen lakes that are the norm in eastern Manitoba and northern Ontario are quite rare here. Here the norm is trails that will have you ascending (or descending) 1800 - 2500 feet in a day with multiple hairpin switchbacks. Being in total control of the skis on descents here is critical.
I was going to go with the Voile mountaineer binding for the Hoks, but after reading your post, I have decded to go with the Voile 3 pin cable bindings. I can always quick detach the cables and use them like the mountaineers, but will have the option of using the cables when I feel the extra stability they provide is needed.

This past week I've also begun looking into getting some 3 pin boots. I had already narrowed the choices down to either Crispi Antarctics  or Svartisens ($249 and 299 USD at or Alpina Alaska's ($299 CDN at MEC) prior to reading through this thread, so the previous comments in this are extremely helpful.
It seems that the selection of new leather 3 pin boots has become very limited these past few years. Apparently there are some very comfortable and light plastic uberdollar 3 pin boots out there, but the aesthetic of plastic boots doesn't appeal to me. My application will be for use with the 125cm  Altai Hoks (at least initially) for use on steep trails near Vancouver and in the interior of BC.
  I had originally ordered the Hoks with the universal X bindings, which proved to be terrifying on the north shore mountains nearby. The terrain is steep, and the snow is wet, dense and fast. That combined with wide skis make a solid boot ski interface crucial for safety. I am returning the universal bindings in exchange for 3 pin bindings.

As far as I can tell from my research the pros of the Alpina Alaska boots are that they have minimal, if any break in time, and they are locally available for ensuring proper fit. The one con I have read of are multiple reports of the duckbill area failing. I have no doubt that MEC would look after things if that were to happen, but it could be a major issue if that happened well out in the back country somewhere.
The pros of the Crispi Antarctic would seem that they are probably the most robust and stiff soled 3 pin leather boot  out there. The cons  would be ordering online and hoping the fit works out. Also is the excahnge rate, shipping and possible duties to  consider.
What I'm wondering is if the extra stiffness of the Antarctic soles would make an appreciable difference in the performance.

Back Country Skiing Discussion / Re: Russian Ski boots
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:09:58 pm »
Hope it all goes well. That is an amazing price if all turns out well.

Tents and Shelters / Re: Atuk Alaskan
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:36:03 am »
I currently have a Snowtrekker, and have previously had a Kifaru 8 man tipi and a Black Diamond Megamid pyramid tent. If the ground was right (hard pack soil that firmly took stakes) the pyramid was probably a little quicker to get a basic pitch than th Snowtrekker. What I mean by "basic pitch" is something you can jump under for shelter before properly finishing and and maximizing shelter space and security. In any ground conditions such as granite, sand or deep snow, the Snowtrekker is far faster and easier to pitch than the pyramid or tipi. 

My Snowtrekker is 10x13 Exp Hybrid and I find it very quick and easy to pitch with this simple method: place three poles in the rear hub connector and let the ends of those poles rest on the ground like a tripod. Then throw the canvas over that tripod (the apex will be at a manageable height). Place the ends of the 'leg' poles in the rear corner pockets of the canvas and make sure the rear wall-roof corner of the canvas is aligned with the rear connector hub. Make sure the rest of the ridgeline of the canvas is lined up with the ridge pole. Finally, add the front hub connector and front leg poles, and you have a 'basic pitch'  with the canvas hung on the frame and ready for stake out detailing.
If you do things in this order, it is super fast and easy for one person to pitch even the larger Snowtrekker tents.

The only advantage the pyramids and tipis I had did have over the Snowtrekker was weight because they used nylon and silnylon fabrics, but if that weight advantage were taken away  (comparing canvas to canvas) the Snowtrekker is a superior shelter in terms of usable space, ease of pitching, more comfortable temperature gradients throughout the shelter when heated.

 The only thing I would change about my Snowtrekker (if I weren't selling it) would be to relocate the stove jack toward the rear and near the ridgeline (pretty much where the rear snorkel vent currently is. I like stoves with vertical (or at least near vertical) pipes that exit high through the tents. I believe that that this is far more stable, safe and energy efficient, but that is a whole other topic that has been flogged pretty heavily on this site

Fire and Woodstoves / Re: Norwegian Gstove
« on: February 19, 2018, 02:48:13 pm »
That is a lot of stove for the money. For motorized back country travel, one of those and a Snowtrekker tent would be hard to beat for luxurious camping very cleverly designed accessory water tank and oven.

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