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Tents and Shelters / Re: I may actually be buying a tent
« Last post by Moondog55 on May 19, 2018, 06:40:39 PM »
200C between the bottom of the flue and the top is enough temperature differential to keep a good draft going.
My experience is that it is that last few centimetres of flue getting cold that is the cause of most of my stove problems. I think that is why Scandinavian lavvus have such short flue exposures above the peak, limiting the influence of wind and cold on that last few centimetres of flue.
 Which-ever way it works out I am excited by the prospect of being warm and cosy with plenty of height to stretch up and out when I rise from bed each morning
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Fire and Woodstoves / Re: Norwegian Gstove
« Last post by Old Guide on May 19, 2018, 12:26:15 PM »
I am not sure if this one was mentioned before and I cannot speak to its function or quality, but I'd consider it as an alternative

https://www.mobiba.net/en/wood-stoves/12-mobile-wood-stove-sogra.html

Some interesting translations in their description.
What is the price USA?
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Fire and Woodstoves / Re: Norwegian Gstove
« Last post by h_t on May 19, 2018, 09:31:48 AM »
I am not sure if this one was mentioned before and I cannot speak to its function or quality, but I'd consider it as an alternative

https://www.mobiba.net/en/wood-stoves/12-mobile-wood-stove-sogra.html
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Tents and Shelters / Re: I may actually be buying a tent
« Last post by K. on May 19, 2018, 07:47:39 AM »
I like the idea of the flattop shelter for certain scenarios, where there may be few trees and plenty of wind to keep snowfall from accumulating, but in the event of a heavy snowfall without much wind, how do you keep the flattop from collapsing? With anything that's peaked it's a simple matter to punch the roof from the inside every now and then to dislodge the snow, but with a flattop I think you'd need to go outside and fetch if off with some manner of snow rake?

A giant tent plus stove for $1500? nice deal! re the pipe temperature and fabric there does seem to be reasonably good clearance at the peak ot the tipi, but I wouldn't rely on the notion of the stovepipe being sufficiently cool just because of some extra height... the average pipe temperature from top to bottom has a direct relationship to draft and stove performance, so it actually needs to stay pretty hot or the stove will not be working. To say otherwise is to veer towards the chimpac principle, which I still haven't figured out, but that's a whole separate storey. Quick update: my latest reading on stove pipe has hit the air-insulated vs air-cooled conundrum. I literally cannot find a clear statement about the principles behind these two diametrically opposed designs. I have only found the vaguest of hints that the air-cooled pipe may be associated with the modern zero-clearance fireplace design, which somehow burns hotter than a woodstove, while the air-insulated pipe is appropriate to woodstoves, which don't burn hot like an open fireplace due to the controlled air intake.  The implication is that with the super-hot burning zero-clearance fireplace (essentially matching the principle of the rocket stove with unlimited combustion air), it is necessary to keep a lid on the pipe temperature with some passive cooling. But that isn't to say the pipe is actually  being cooled down to the point where you could safely touch it! or is it? I've searched a lot of topics on the internet over the years without having to resort to an actual library with real books, but I have to say the principles of solid fuel heaters is one of the most confusing. Stay tuned...
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Tents and Shelters / Re: I may actually be buying a tent
« Last post by Bioguide on May 18, 2018, 07:47:16 PM »
Tipis were great for years ago when there was no stoves and chimneys. There is no need for a shelter to be so high unless you do not have a chimney and have to get the smoke out. Native people were a lot smarter than some modern campers who try to cook outside in the wind.
A flat tarp does the job better with more warm head room for each camper and no waste of material as the shape of a tipi does.

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Tents and Shelters / Re: I may actually be buying a tent
« Last post by chimpac on May 18, 2018, 07:41:46 PM »
Tipis were great for years ago when there was no stoves and chimneys. There is no need for a shelter to be so high unless you do not have a chimney and have to get the smoke out. Native people were a lot smarter than some modern campers who try to cook outside in the wind.
A flat tarp does the job better with more warm head room for each camper and no waste of material as the shape of a tipi does.
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Tents and Shelters / Re: I may actually be buying a tent
« Last post by Moondog55 on May 18, 2018, 06:51:54 PM »
Chimpac you are sounding like a broken record. Lavvus and tipis are used for a reason and the Swedes, Danes, Norwegians and First Nations peoples are not stupid or without experience in bad weather.
All portable shelters are compromises, this one ticks most of my boxes and at a cost I could afford.
Please stop responding to my posts by beating your own drum.
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Tents and Shelters / Re: I may actually be buying a tent
« Last post by chimpac on May 18, 2018, 01:25:46 PM »
BV I buy my Solarproof from the UK via eBay. Much cheaper that way but about $30- small bottle of concentrate at full retail here.

The owner of that store sent me an email offering me another tent at half price too, a small Arctic tunnel with an extended vestibule
An older slightly smaller version of this one
https://www.helsport.no/fjellheimen-x-trem-camp
Just about anything is better than a tipi
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Group Trip Planning / Re: Southern Ontario Bus Trip to 2018 Minnesota WCS
« Last post by brianw on May 18, 2018, 12:16:28 PM »

Hmmm...........thought there might be enough interest to at least fill an SUV......

It could be the case that most members of the site are off into their spring and summer time activities.  I suspect when September rolls around there may be more interest.

Cheers

Brian
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Group Trip Planning / Re: Southern Ontario Bus Trip to 2018 Minnesota WCS
« Last post by sleddawg on May 18, 2018, 09:27:27 AM »

Hmmm...........thought there might be enough interest to at least fill an SUV......
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