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Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« on: November 14, 2017, 03:13:20 pm »
Last year when using our Tentsmiths Pyramid we found that without using long picket poles we had to set our guy lines way out from the tent to avoid compressing the side walls, even then it was a bit hit and miss.

This year we tried something different.



A webbing pocket at the base and an adjustable strap with a grommet at the top holds a 3 piece 10mm aluminum pole about 1 metre long. Guy lines can now be pitched closer and more securely.



May still use pickets cut from the bush, but in the National Park where cutting wood is frowned upon I'm happy with this solution.

I did wonder if something like this would work for a Kanguk to make pitching simpler?
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2017, 04:20:05 pm »
I did something similar with my small wall tent years ago and I see no reason why it wouldn't apply to any other tent. i'm interested in the poles you used.
What section and alloy did you use? What did the poles weight in total? And of course did carrying the extra weight justify the ease when setting up?
Great solution BTW The problem I see is choosing a section size big enough to resist buckling while keeping the weight down; hence my query about section size.
Because my tent walls were only 400mm high I got away with cheap arrows cut in half and trimmed down, my new solo wall tent has 765mm [ 2'6"] walls and arrows won't do

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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2017, 05:01:02 pm »
Great idea. Could use ski poles.

Alternatively, I tie out the guys to nearby trees when possible. But the post would definitely make a tighter pitch.
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2017, 09:28:27 pm »
I would love to say that I carefully selected the poles for optimum stiffness versus weight but in reality I just went for the cheapest source of 9.5mm poles, in my case this was a set of MEC camper 4 poles.

I had to buy a few more pole tips and it turned out that my poles have a slightly thicker wall than the equivalent Easton and paid to have the tip reduced in size to fit by a local machine shop.

The 8 poles weigh 650g.

If you had four skiers sharing this tent you certainly could use ski poles.
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2017, 10:29:53 pm »
Even if it wasn't a custom to fit, designer job we like it

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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 09:49:21 pm »
Sweet, well made and thought out!!

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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 11:45:59 pm »
Excellent set-up, BV! Efficiently effective.

Do you need to keep the pole tips from sinking into the snow at all (even within the tent's pole "pockets"?
 

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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2017, 03:11:18 pm »
Excellent set-up, BV! Efficiently effective.

Do you need to keep the pole tips from sinking into the snow at all (even within the tent's pole "pockets"?

This was the first time I used them. They should be supported to a certain extent by the fabric either side, a bit like a Snowtrekker, but if it proves a problem I will have to put a piece of firewood under the end.

I Wil report back!
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 01:22:51 pm »
Reporting back

Bottom ends of the poles sink about an inch into deep snow but this helps keep the sidewall flush with the snow.

Very pleased with how well they work.
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2018, 08:13:45 pm »
I had to look at this a while to figure out what your problem was that you solved.  Your tent has no sidewall poles, so this allows you to use poles to keep your sidewalls tight?

My Baker's tent has sidewall poles so I was slow to see the problem.  Nice fix!

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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 08:39:02 pm »
Old aluminum hunting arrows work good for this. May have to get inserts for them, but they are lightweight and strong. Carbon arrows would also work well. Archery shops often have old arrows laying around that they might give you. I also see them advertised on Craigslist for reasonable prices.

Elegant solution, BV!
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 09:06:26 pm »
I had to look at this a while to figure out what your problem was that you solved.  Your tent has no sidewall poles, so this allows you to use poles to keep your sidewalls tight?

My Baker's tent has sidewall poles so I was slow to see the problem.  Nice fix!

If you look at pics of the Atuk tents the folk with them pitched well have the guy lines pegged way out from the tent. The traditional way was to cut pickets to lift the lines but in the national park this is frowned upon plus it only really applies tension to the top of the sidewall not to the bottom.

I love the liveable space in this tent so anything that simplifies pitching it is good by me.
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Re: Side Wall Poles for Pyramid Style Tents
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2018, 06:54:21 am »
I had a Kanguk, and I think this solution would make for an easier and tidier pitch.  Living large in a snowtrekker now, but sometimes I miss the unique space inside the Kanguk.